KEIOC Plans Booted into Touch

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

A TOP-LEVEL meeting has failed to deliver progress on new stadia for Liverpool and Everton football clubs.

LFC chief executive Christian Purslow and his Everton counterpart Robert Elstone sat down with city council officials and Liverpool University yesterday, at the instigation of the university. Liverpool FC made clear the club is committed to building a new £400m ground, despite its problems raising finance to fund the 60,000-seater.

It is understood a football quarter, as suggested by fans’ group Keeping Everton in Our City (Keioc) was dismissed on the grounds that the £700m-plus price tag is unaffordable. But Liverpool Council leader Warren Bradley said the meeting was fruitful in helping draw up plans for a sports strategy for the city.

“We discussed how to develop a sports strategy – a sports city with the football clubs at the heart of it. It’s inconceivable for me that we have not developed a sports city ethos. It’s the next leg of the regeneration of the city.”

He said Tom Cannon, Professor of Strategic Development at the University of Liverpool, will now speak to the Football Association to work on ideas.

The plans are currently in the concept stage, Cllr Bradley added.
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The loud shrill resonating over the city isn't the wind-turbines, it's Danny walking across Stanley Park whistling.

 

[little curly alan ball]

I know . Why don't we just stay where we are , and develop relatively simply , and , PRESTO , Shangri-La for ever ???

 

[Hayee]

I know . Why don't we just stay where we are , and develop relatively simply , and , PRESTO , Shangri-La for ever ???

IMO
thats the best idea ever! I don't want to move

 

[Whitebootman]

Waits for scaled down plan, Redevelop Goodison Park, Open B&B, Build Greggs megastore.

 

[davek]

The concept of a football quarter and a 'sports city with football at the heart of it'...hmm. Not a million miles away from each other are they really?

One idea begets another related one. Hats off to KEIOC there.

Ball now rolling.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

The concept of a football quarter and a 'sports city with football at the heart of it'...hmm. Not a million miles away from each other are they really?

One idea begets another related one. Hats off to KEIOC there.

Ball now rolling.

Do you think we'll ever get to see what these 700mill plans were dave ?

We asked that Tom fella repeatedly, but not 1 single thing was posted in reply.

 

[Whitebootman]

The concept of a football quarter and a 'sports city with football at the heart of it'...hmm. Not a million miles away from each other are they really?

One idea begets another related one. Hats off to KEIOC there.

Ball now rolling.

Credit where it's due.

As long as the city doesn't lose any parkland.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

Credit where it's due.

As long as the city doesn't lose any parkland.

correct, I'm not convinced that it's theirs to claim though ?

Seems to me that they are trying to take it when it's not there to be taken, like Toms' claim that it was KEIOC that put a halt to Kirkby.

 

[davek]

Do you think we'll ever get to see what these 700mill plans were dave ?

We asked that Tom fella repeatedly, but not 1 single thing was posted in reply.

Well, firstly, there is no "£700M" plan. The Echo reporter made it up in his hacked out report. Now the Post has repeated it (which must now make it true! LOL!!).

Second, "the plan" - as KEIOC made plain - was for a plan to be drawn up after a feasibility study was carried out...something that would cost and that only the clubs/authority could afford to do. So there was/is no 'plan'.

As for the Bradley 'Sports City' idea: that'd never have been on the table now if it hadn't have been for KEIOC co-ordinating affairs behind the scenes and prompting all parties to sit around a table.

Sometimes it's just as plain and simple as that and all sides have to give credit for that type of industry. Some never will though.

 

[little curly alan ball]

IMO
thats the best idea ever! I don't want to move

Me an' you , Doris .

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

I read something also that denies any involvement with KEIOC by s.o.s.
KEIOC plans for Stanley Park and Woodison - The Liverpool Way

Originally Posted by Fugitive
Why are SOS getting involved with them?
We're not.

Echo story has wrong end of the stick again and it's old news.

The City Council called a meeting (not KEIOC) before Christmas to talk about the regeneration ideas they had based on refurbished stadiums. Not unnaturally we went to listen - we haven't been involved other than attending one meeting from which there was nothing of any substance to report and there's been no further developments.

The story is driven by KEIOC having had a meeting about something last night.

more twists and turns than that Vancouver bobsleigh run.

 

[Neiler]

Well, firstly, there is no "£700M" plan. The Echo reporter made it up in his hacked out report. Now the Post has repeated it (which must now make it true! LOL!!).

Second, "the plan" - as KEIOC made plain - was for a plan to be drawn up after a feasibility study was carried out...something that would cost and that only the clubs/authority could afford to do. So there was/is no 'plan'.

As for the Bradley 'Sports City' idea: that'd never have been on the table now if it hadn't have been for KEIOC co-ordinating affairs behind the scenes and prompting all parties to sit around a table.

Sometimes it's just as plain and simple as that and all sides have to give credit for that type of industry. Some never will though.

I dont know whats worse mate, having a 700 mill plan or not having a 700 mill plan and not having a scooby of the cost when this will be a decideing factor in any project. Ever see the hopefulls in Dragons Den who go into a pitch and dont have an idea of their numbers?

So basicly, KEIOC came up with an idea with no sense of cost just concept and said you guys pay for the feasability study - to be fair - its a pretty rubbish strategy - surely any supporters group even GOT could have come up with a concept.

Actually GOT may have a better chance seeing as we didnt have the club and its CEO in the dock facing down the barrell of baristors in the last 12 months - being logical i dont see why the club would ever want to have anything to do with KEIOC after that and i dont think they will. Its a bit mad after the effort of putting obsticals in the way of an enquirey for the club to turn around and say, "hell yeah lets pay for your feasability study, seeing as you guys are skint and have come up with a wacky possibily unfeasable idea" Never going to happen lets face it KEIOC are always going to be an annoying wasp to the club that at certain periods of times they will have to swat away for fear of getting a sting. It will all be be niceites but they will be ignored and not involved in whatever process will be ongoing.

I do admire their effort though and i think at this stage all ideas are welcome, you just cant take them seriously as they are majorily out there ideas with no great analysie to cost, or projection of profit.

 

[Tom Hughes]

Well, firstly, there is no "£700M" plan. The Echo reporter made it up in his hacked out report. Now the Post has repeated it (which must now make it true! LOL!!).

Second, "the plan" - as KEIOC made plain - was for a plan to be drawn up after a feasibility study was carried out...something that would cost and that only the clubs/authority could afford to do. So there was/is no 'plan'.

As for the Bradley 'Sports City' idea: that'd never have been on the table now if it hadn't have been for KEIOC co-ordinating affairs behind the scenes and prompting all parties to sit around a table.

Sometimes it's just as plain and simple as that and all sides have to give credit for that type of industry. Some never will though.

This is precisely correct..... KEIOC have started the ball rolling on this whole "concept". They consulted with city-planners/council, the university, architects (including the one responsible for delivering Liverpool 1), local politicians and of course the club(s) to see what could be put together to get the most out of the unique duopoly that the two clubs represent. This is merely the starting point..... the term "sport city" was also used throughout their initial presentations to all concerned parties, and is used to encompass the relevance and status of the whole city in terms of the history of sport to help add further impetus.

All that said, it should be remembered that by definition this is an enitirely flexible concept, that also allows and indeed ranges from each club having completely independent developments/redevelopments with just shared infrastructure to the far more involved scheme of developing major facilities between the two on the park and making a whole destination therein which could offer greater opportunities and investment potential. With any development there is often a critical mass, whereby when a certain scope is achieved, other aspects develop in parrallel such as transport/commercial/residential/retail/leisure etc. Often the sum of the parts is far greater than each individual offer, and two major football stadia with developed hotels/conference/exhibition facilities linked by football-quarter/Sports-city type developments could help prompt the redevelopment of the whole area and its links with the city-centre which is only just over 2 miles away, and on a major road.

Greater Manchester is trying for something similar with the likes of its Media city project which they have seized upon..... Given our history, this would have far greater foundations to build on!

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

Manchester has a 'sports city', the big brown signs are evident all over the place pointing to Eastlands, it was the name given to the commonwealth games sites.

'Media-city' isn't a Greater Manchester thing either, other than it is situated within the economic boundary of Gtr. Manchester.

KEIOC are coming across as desperate to gain recognition for something tbh, cos no matter how much they claim victory at Kirkby... it wasn't down to them.

Take the plaudits for provoking discussion and bringing things to supporters attention, but not that 'we stopped kirkby.'

What about SoS saying that they weren't in discussions with you guys ? They say they just went along to see what was being said whereas KEIOC say they were in, "discussions" with them ?

I am aware that I may be coming across as anti-KEIOC (as well as other things), but I am actually quite open on the matter, which is why I put forward things to provoke a discussion, now if this is bringing things to the fore that KEIOC don't like I will be viewed by you guys in the same way that you are to the club.

 

[Neiler]

This is precisely correct..... KEIOC have started the ball rolling on this whole "concept". They consulted with city-planners/council, the university, architects (including the one responsible for delivering Liverpool 1), local politicians and of course the club(s) to see what could be put together to get the most out of the unique duopoly that the two clubs represent. This is merely the starting point..... the term "sport city" was also used throughout their initial presentations to all concerned parties, and is used to encompass the relevance and status of the whole city in terms of the history of sport to help add further impetus.

All that said, it should be remembered that by definition this is an enitirely flexible concept, that also allows and indeed ranges from each club having completely independent developments/redevelopments with just shared infrastructure to the far more involved scheme of developing major facilities between the two on the park and making a whole destination therein which could offer greater opportunities and investment potential. With any development there is often a critical mass, whereby when a certain scope is achieved, other aspects develop in parrallel such as transport/commercial/residential/retail/leisure etc. Often the sum of the parts is far greater than each individual offer, and two major football stadia with developed hotels/conference/exhibition facilities linked by football-quarter/Sports-city type developments could help prompt the redevelopment of the whole area and its links with the city-centre which is only just over 2 miles away, and on a major road.

Greater Manchester is trying for something similar with the likes of its Media city project which they have seized upon..... Given our history, this would have far greater foundations to build on!

Its a Great concept but no idea of cost - thats going to be the telling factor, lets be honest mate!

Its like saying - i think its a great idea building the Maracana with a football village for tourism outside. Im not knocking it in fact i would love it i would just get more excited if it was realistic.