Joleon Lescott

Sell Lescott?

  • Yes, for £18m to £20m - with all money being given to Moyes to spend

    Votes: 116 45.0%

  • No way - we must keep him at the club.

    Votes: 142 55.0%
  • Total voters
    258
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There's nothing wrong with wanting more money if you can get it. But I think most of us would be a little more dignified in how we pursued that compared to M'Bia. Let's just admit this: He's got a big gob, is tactless and uses his family as an excuse to cover his greed.

Other than that, I'm sure he's a fine, young man.
 

yeah he shouldn't have said what he said but he's just saying what nearly every other player thinks
 
Nebbiolo said:
There's nothing wrong with wanting more money if you can get it. But I think most of us would be a little more dignified in how we pursued that compared to M'Bia. Let's just admit this: He's got a big gob, is tactless and uses his family as an excuse to cover his greed.

Other than that, I'm sure he's a fine, young man.
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His family remark was fair enough for me.

If you was approached by another company tomorrow Neb, who offered you more money - I assume one of the first thoughts you would have is how it would impact your family.

A significant increase in his wage would improve his and his families quality of life.

Time to get heads out of arses lads.

Anyway, back to Lescott now :lol:
 
toffeestillidie said:
M'Bia: I'll Stay If Rennes Match Everton Offer - Goal.com

he went from saying repeatedly that he wanted to play for us and that it was a great opportunity to saying that its all about money and if rennes pay the same money then he's happy to stay. mercenary if i've ever seen one
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And this is totally different from Arteta, Cahill, Lescott, Jagielka etc demanding huge pay increases for new contracts? The only difference is that M'Bia says it in public.

If you look at American sports, people are quite open about demanding money in public, and the public are happy with that. It's a cultural thing. It doesn't mean players are less loyal that English footballers - some players stay at the same club for years, on the condition that they receive most of what they would get on the open market. That's no different at all from what our top players have done.

You are judging M'Bia's public utterences (and not his motivations) by the cultural standards of what is acceptable to the British public. What is generally acceptable to you and I (and to be fair, I thought "cock" when I read what he said) is different from what is acceptable in France, which is different to what is acceptable in the Cameroon. Generally speaking, the French are a lot of more open and a lot less easily offended, so I imagine that in France the reaction to his public wage demands seem a lot less greedy than they do to our eyes.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
His family remark was fair enough for me.

If you was approached by another company tomorrow Neb, who offered you more money - I assume one of the first thoughts you would have is how it would impact your family.

A significant increase in his wage would improve his and his families quality of life.

Time to get heads out of arses lads.

Anyway, back to Lescott now :lol:
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His family remark would be fair enough, if it turns out that he was talking about a very large, extended family back in Cameroon. A lot of Africans do hold family dear, and family doesn't stop at the nuclear family. So if that's what he meant, and he wants to help support an array of people, fair enough.

But going by the utter bullshite that he kept coming out with, this seemed to be more about M'Bia's ego, rather than than M'Bia's altruism. He sounds like an idiot, Danny.

Obviously, like with every player that signs for Everton, he would have my full support the moment he puts on the blue jersey. I also trust Moyes to get it right in the transfer market. I know Moyes has made a couple of mistakes, but I think he's learned from them.

But anyway, this Lescott needs to go. I say SELL!
 

lordyefc said:
What is being suggested is that you have cheaper backups, in the £2m-£3m bracket, or loans (for example, Mancienne from Chelsea was rumoured wasn't he?), or Bosmans (e.g. Lucas Neill). In addition, they wouldn't be £40k a week (well Neill would be, but they'd be no transfer fee), freeing most of the Lescott money to be spent on one or two top class players (that would significantly improve the first XI)
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But why should we have cheap backups, when the cheap backups or loans will either be worse than our original player and/or leave in a season? Remember that Jags is out for the start of the coming season so any cheap CD we get will have to start a couple of games at least.. and I don't want a cheap alternative in that position. If the german 18-year old comes through as a find in the region of Arteta, Lescott and Cahill, we will have 4 great CD's and then I would think this idea had some merit. But not now when we need all the good, healthy CD's we have.

Also, Bosmans won't require a transfer fee, but they sure will demand a fairly substantial signing-on fee instead and also a fairly high weekly salary.. unless they really, REALLY want to sign for a specific club of course.
 
Blue Wiz said:
Remember that Jags is out for the start of the coming season so any cheap CD we get will have to start a couple of games at least.. and I don't want a cheap alternative in that position.
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And I don't want a player worth £2m-£3m playing right midfield or as our defensive midfielder. And yet, the most likely scenario is that Osman and Neville will start 65 games between them.

Why is the idea of a £2m player starting max 15-20 league games this season so terrible, yet the idea of Neville and Osman playing 30+ games ok?
 

GrandOldTeam said:
More Devils Advocate;

Sell Lescott for £20m

Sign Lucas Neil (as cover for Yobo and Jags), Moutinho and Mbia.

An improvement to our starting 11? While also offering more bodies for a more demanding season next year?

I dont think we should sell Lescott - but if there was one player we could cash in on, it would be him.
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I think that's the key. Selling Rooney isn't really comparable as at the time Rooney was one of the hottest names in Europe and we were looking bloody awful. That he went to the biggest club in England as well sets him apart from this deal.

Lets say we sell Lescott. For me it can go two ways. If we sell him and most of the money gets absorbed, quality isn't added to the squad with the proceeds then it sends a horrible message to all concerned, our squad, us, other teams. It shows that the players are in control and they're jumping ship.

If however we replace Lescott with what are regarded as superior players then it shows that Moyes is in control and he milked Man City and their silly money for the good of the club.

It helps of course that we start the season well. Ferguson for instance got some stick for selling Ince, Kanchelskis, RVN, Beckham etc. but each time the team generally got better as a result so it vindicated his choice. If the team suffers then it's very hard to reverse the trend as belief seeps from the squad that the manager is no longer in control.
 
lordyefc said:
Why is the idea of a £2m player starting max 15-20 league games this season so terrible
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For £2M you won't get even a decent PL defender now. And those 15-20 games might very well be 10-15 losses due to the instability in the defensive lineup.

As I wrote earlier, I understand your thoughts and if we had 1 more good CD I'd be more likely to think it was a good idea, but at this stage I can't see the benefits with moving our weak spot closer to our own goal.
 

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