John Stones transfer saga

[Woolly Blue]

I'm worried about this news conference at Chelsea, at 2pm....

No need to :-

Question: Any news on John Stones?

Mourinho: “I don’t speak about other clubs’ players.”

 

[Ashtonian]

Yeah I agree that was a really great point!



Why wouldn't City buy him then? They have the money and they've cheat mode-d FFP. They just don't rate him? I don't think the "everyone is for sale" thing is true. Only in a thought experiment sense that if someone said "here's three billion for Messi" you'd have to accept. But in terms of amounts that would actually fit into the football economy? 200m? Barca would be worse off. What would they do? Try to buy Ronaldo for 200m? What's the point? I wouldn't sell Messi for 200m. If you sell a top player for a certain amount that establishes a price for those elite players. But all those teams want is elite players. So whatever the amount is it doesn't make sense to sell (unless they were no longer wanting to compete on that level).

Not really?

If the price for messi was 300 million lets say and city were willing to pay for it then that doesnt weaken barca. Sure they lose their best player but the money coming back for him makes up for it as they could then spend 70 million a year signing a star player for the team and overall they would be better for it.

As for why don't city buy him? Why dont you drive a ferrari and live in a mansion and eat pate and caviar for meals?

because the price is too high for one player!

 

[Blue Truth]

Well if our terms are a £60mil price, then it doesn't really hinder us does it... Only makes it more likely we may be able to keep him longer.

And what if there was a bidding war and we could potentially get more then that?

 

[oldblue]

Not really?

If the price for messi was 300 million lets say and city were willing to pay for it then that doesnt weaken barca. Sure they lose their best player but the money coming back for him makes up for it as they could then spend 70 million a year signing a star player for the team and overall they would be better for it.

As for why don't city buy him? Why dont you drive a ferrari and live in a mansion and eat pate and caviar for meals?

because the price is too high for one player!

70 mill a year just on face value and the cash is gone in four years. and take into account how much attention and cash having the most exciting player since Maradonna brings in, no guarantee whoever you got in would be half as succesful no matter what their reputation is now, the prestige for the club of knowing you don't have to sell to anyone. But above all this denying your own fans the chance to keep watching Messi would be unforgivable

 

[Saint Domingo]

Shushy shush time Jose.

 

[Ashtonian]

70 mill a year just on face value and the cash is gone in four years. and take into account how much attention and cash having the most exciting player since Maradonna brings in, no guarantee whoever you got in would be half as succesful no matter what their reputation is now, the prestige for the club of knowing you don't have to sell to anyone. But above all this denying your own fans the chance to keep watching Messi would be unforgivable

i agree, thats why barca wont sell him easy. My point is simply if a club put up the level of money it would take to sign messi then Barca wouldn't just turn them down. The amount would lkill the game as a compeition though as a knock on effect but im talking hyperthetically.

 

[LinekersLegs]

@OffsideLiam: James Cooper of SSN: “They're [#mufc] not in the market for any centre-backs at the moment, but they remain admirers of John Stones.”

A "wait a year and we'll make you a bid too good to refuse" hint or a journo just trying to add another element to the story?

 

[Saint Domingo]

i agree, thats why barca wont sell him easy. My point is simply if a club put up the level of money it would take to sign messi then Barca wouldn't just turn them down. The amount would lkill the game as a compeition though as a knock on effect but im talking hyperthetically.

Cash is nothing to top clubs. They all have it. Who could they buy if they sold Messi that they can't buy already? At that level he's the difference between them being on 2 European cups and 5.

 

[oldblue]

i agree, thats why barca wont sell him easy. My point is simply if a club put up the level of money it would take to sign messi then Barca wouldn't just turn them down. The amount would lkill the game as a compeition though as a knock on effect but im talking hyperthetically.

yep there is no doubt a figure that makes sense to every club for every player, but with one offs it is so hard to measure this and easier to make big mistakes. one big side effect is that everyone knows you have that cash so getting value becomes almost impossible. It is also impossible to measure how much a player like say Rooney being at Everton would have meant to our finances but more importantly to the spirit of the club. Money does talk but business people get it horribly wrong if they see this as a simple balancing of the books

 

[Ashtonian]

Cash is nothing to top clubs. They all have it. Who could they buy if they sold Messi that they can't buy already? At that level he's the difference between them being on 2 European cups and 5.

yes and that is why they havent sold him so far. their value of him, not too disimilar to stones, is too high for clubs to sign him at.

Unless we are planning on selling stones then we have a price on him that chelsea will deem to expensive for a 21 year old defender. Same as barca, their price could be 200 million, 300 million etc something that rich clubs cannot justify paying so they don't. doesnt mean barca wouldnt sell, saying no club want to sign him for his price tag

 

[Ashtonian]

yep there is no doubt a figure that makes sense to every club for every player, but with one offs it is so hard to measure this and easier to make big mistakes. one big side effect is that everyone knows you have that cash so getting value becomes almost impossible. It is also impossible to measure how much a player like say Rooney being at Everton would have meant to our finances but more importantly to the spirit of the club. Money does talk but business people get it horribly wrong if they see this as a simple balancing of the books

aye, sad when you look at lcubs like ourselves and that is all it is, balancing books. We could progress if the books were unbalanced for a couple of years but we have never done that.

Different topic altogether.

But rooney at everton was never going to last, rooney now......maybe would have a case for staying. But not back in 2004

 

[marnie]

Well, don't call me for help when your battery goes flat

lol

 

[oldblue]

aye, sad when you look at lcubs like ourselves and that is all it is, balancing books. We could progress if the books were unbalanced for a couple of years but we have never done that.

Different topic altogether.

But rooney at everton was never going to last, rooney now......maybe would have a case for staying. But not back in 2004

it wasn't going to last but even three more years may have seen the profile and the ambition of the club change. May have even seen the lad go onto become the real world beater it felt he was destined for. In the past world class players have stayed loyal to clubs that are less than huge and it hasn't hurt them as players

 

[Ashtonian]

it wasn't going to last but even three more years may have seen the profile and the ambition of the club change. May have even seen the lad go onto become the real world beater it felt he was destined for. In the past world class players have stayed loyal to clubs that are less than huge and it hasn't hurt them as players

not at all, reus for example.

Rooney isnt a worse player for leaving, he just idnt the rooney that burst through. He is more compate rather than the explosive striker ala shearer was

 

[oldblue]

not at all, reus for example.

Rooney isnt a worse player for leaving, he just idnt the rooney that burst through. He is more compate rather than the explosive striker ala shearer was

my gut feeling was that he could have been both a complete player and explosive. hard to say for sure how leaving so soon changed his career but always annoying that the media never question the sense in it because he won a few medals. so did Nicky Butt