January Transfer Thread 2017

[bcblue1878]

It's never been our way. And outside a handful of managers clubs in the PL I cant think of many managers as aloof and vague about transfers as Koeman is. It's obviously a very conscious policy not to do that on his part.

And may be that's partly why we have won the sum of sweet FA for over twenty years now! We've got a bit of catching up to do both on and off the field! The two most successful managers in Everton's history - Messrs Catterick and Kendall - were pretty "aloof and vague about transfers" until they were done!

 

[murphy89]

The players he inherited were capable of very good attacking football.

No, Martinez inherited a side capable of fast, attacking football. He then managed to secure the great striker that was missing. The side Moyes left had played some fantastic football in his last season.

Once Martinez started adding more and more of his players and putting his own stamp on the side, the fast paced direct football made way for terrible tippy tappy rubbish with no penetration. Only the odd game did we see the side of Roberto's first year.

 

[Little Ralphy]

He'll get time. This time next season is easily enough to determine if he's worth continuing with.

The players he inherited were capable of very good attacking football. They just needed the defence sorted. Obvioulsy that's proven beyond Koeman's abilities, so we demolish the whole lot and bring in players (over valued) he thinks can get us a trophy or up the league to top 5.

We shall see.......

They weren't though. Martinez attacking play was based on over committing players forward. So it had a detrimental effect on the defence, hence why teams would suddenly look like they'd score as soon as they won the ball back by their own penalty area. It still wasn't good enough to break organised sides down though, teams had well and truly worked us out.

The whole squad needed ripping up and rebuilding and that's what Koeman is doing. I agree he seems to be trying to make us hard to beat first, but is that a bad thing? We've had average athletes who weren't anything special technically for years, Moyes built a team around them, but you can't compete on a football level against better technical players trying to match them. I like that Koeman is bringing in different styles of player and trying to make us tough to break down. A midfield pairing of Gueye and Schneiderlin should make us difficult to break down.

Let's hope he can bring in someone who can offer something a bit different further forward now.

 

[Timhowardsswearbox]

Dave isn't really being any more negative about Koeman than some were at the start of Martinez's reign to be fair

Up to that 1-0 win over Chelsea people were expressing a lot of doubts

Those shouts died down somewhat when we did well for the rest of the season but came back to the fore when the form dropped in 14/15

Basically, if we start doing really well under Koeman Dave will return to Valhalla to slumber and feed, only returning if we start losing again

I'm not sure this is true, there is a lot of revisionism going on. That being said, I have no issue with posters airing their concerns; that, after all is what a forum is about. I do take issue with posters giving their opinions as facts when it is nothing more than speculation. Moshiri in a short space of time has made huge progress off the pitch and everything points towards him wanting us to return to the top. Dave his picked one comment from the AGM and keeps using this as an argument that he is just here to use the club as a cash cow. Nobody knows what the intention is, but to keep claiming this as a fact is disingenuous and does little other than annoy other fans who are actually quite enjoying the fact that we seem to be able to sign players for actual money.

 

[davek]

You don't think he deserves as much time as Martinez got?

He hasn't had the first season Martinez had.

 

[davek]

To an extent they did. Moyes was far more successful than Martinez but still signed more than his fair share of flops. For every Cahill there was an Anderson Da Silva, Per Koldrup and James Beattie. Martinez left the club with more detritus that we can't/couldn't move on.

So yes. It was a problem in terms of wasted resources, even to this day.

Is this new system fail proof? No, there will still be the occasional damp squib but more often than not there should be players who can come in and have a long term positive effect on the team.

Both Martinez and Moyes left us with players they bought who would (in total) fetch more on resale than they paid out for them. Let's hope Koeman does the same trick.

 

[Logans run]

time to leave thread escapee from the asylum on board

 

[MikeH72]

The players Koeman inherited were capable of finishing 13th and having the worst home record in the history of the club.

 

[davek]

Personally I think Koeman should get two full seasons and if there isn't obvious progression the club should re-assess. Ultimately, the will be Moshiri's decision though.

Last season Everton conceded 55 goals - the defence didn't just need "sorting", it was a complete shambles. Just as it took RM a good 12 months to undo the Moyes era defence, RK will need a similar amount of time to put his stamp on this defence. That being said, we have conceded 21 goals so far this season, and if that remains as the average, he will have the defence back to a position it was when Moyes was in charge.

We conceded 39 goals under Martinez in that first season...so much for undoing the defence in the first 12 months.

 

[davek]

And may be that's partly why we have won the sum of sweet FA for over twenty years now! We've got a bit of catching up to do both on and off the field! The two most successful managers in Everton's history - Messrs Catterick and Kendall - were pretty "aloof and vague about transfers" until they were done!

They were as hands on as you could get.

 

[bluestevon]

interesting to know if we're doing all these loan deals as outgoings, with the intention to sell them all next summer to give us a bigger transfer budget with FFP rules (if we qualify). We could sell them all now, but it would be much more beneficial to get rid in the summer. I can't see how values will go up for said players, but there we go

Becasue mate we will be lpoaning them all places that they will get more actual playign time, with that their value should increase as long as they do okayish

 

[davek]

No, Martinez inherited a side capable of fast, attacking football. He then managed to secure the great striker that was missing. The side Moyes left had played some fantastic football in his last season.

Once Martinez started adding more and more of his players and putting his own stamp on the side, the fast paced direct football made way for terrible tippy tappy rubbish with no penetration. Only the odd game did we see the side of Roberto's first year.

Lol.

Hans Christian Andersen couldn't improve that.

 

[orly]

time to leave thread escapee from the asylum on board

Ho ho

One of the Snivelley thread's worst offenders

 

[kenada_blue]

They weren't though. Martinez attacking play was based on over committing players forward. So it had a detrimental effect on the defence, hence why teams would suddenly look like they'd score as soon as they won the ball back by their own penalty area. It still wasn't good enough to break organised sides down though, teams had well and truly worked us out.

The whole squad needed ripping up and rebuilding and that's what Koeman is doing. I agree he seems to be trying to make us hard to beat first, but is that a bad thing? We've had average athletes who weren't anything special technically for years, Moyes built a team around them, but you can't compete on a football level against better technical players trying to match them. I like that Koeman is bringing in different styles of player and trying to make us tough to break down. A midfield pairing of Gueye and Schneiderlin should make us difficult to break down.

Let's hope he can bring in someone who can offer something a bit different further forward now.

However, Moyes didn't win anything and had zero budget.

Koeman has spent £80million so far (including £50mill from selling Stones).

 

[orly]

Lol.

Hans Christian Andersen couldn't improve that.

True mate, he's dead