January Transfer Thread 2017

[Jags..class]

Missed out?

Fonte is 33 - who would you have him start ahead of?

Berahino has obvious character issues and how long would it take for them to manifest as he sits on the bench as Rom's understudy?

We were never in for either of them, because we didn't want either of them. And rightly so.

Agree, Berahino was good before but 70k a week for 5 years. Hmmmmm massive gamble

 

[eamo]

Very impressed with Niasse conference and hope he does well for Hull.
Now who we signing today?

 

[bluestevon]

Missed out?

Fonte is 33 - who would you have him start ahead of?

Berahino has obvious character issues and how long would it take for them to manifest as he sits on the bench as Rom's understudy?

We were never in for either of them, because we didn't want either of them. And rightly so.

We would have taken fonte in the summer, but soon as we picked up Williams it became a none starter.

 

[brieverton]

I think there are 3 major constituent groups that exist around our recruitment now. Each have their own aims and methods and while all have Everton’s interests at heart they do look slightly different. This disagreement is not a problem for me, as long (as we have thus far in getting in 2 good additions) the end results are good.

Walsh clearly looks for obscure talent, seems to want younger players and tries to avoid already established Premier League players. He seems to have good networks in smaller leagues, such as Portugal, France and the Scandanavian countries. His players seem to have youth, physicality, and pace.

At the other end Moshiri seems very keen to grab a Marquee signing. One that can validate his own ownership as the real deal and make the football world sit up. He might hope that such a signing would change some of the ethos of the players and staff at Everton themselves.

Koeman fits a bit between the two. He wants players who are experienced pro’s but still well in their prime years. Players who can make an immediate impact and he can mould into his team quickly.

Each will have reasons for their own perspective. Koeman will want players who are easiest to mould. Walsh will want to utilize his scouting ability and have a longer view, while Moshiri wants to shift the culture of the club more broadly.

Not every signing fits exactly into one of the 3 boxes, some tail the 2. Someone like Idrissa Gueye fits somewhere between Koeman & Walsh. Maybe Strootman or VVD would be between Koeman & Moshiri. While Kessie might be between Walsh & Moshiri. Possibly Mahrez would fit this criteria if we went for him.

It does look to me that we are increasingly moving towards targets that Walsh is heavily involved with. I don’t think this is a bad thing either. There will be tension in the relationship, as there should be. The last thing we want is us sleepwalking into another Niasse situation.

I suspect we will move more towards Walsh’s vision, which is adding lots of young players. This is what I hope happens as well. Esk has put on Twitter how Chelsea have made lots of money from their youth products and smart trading. We need to do the same as well, because of lack of commercial performance.

Lots of clubs are trying to emulate this model. However we do have to advantages. Firstly Walsh is as good at scouting as anyone. Secondly, we are now making a reputation for ourselves as a club who give opportunities over and above any other club. This is what the performance of Davies, Holgate, Lookman and DCL will do for us. Hopefully it will swing it meaning we get the edge over other clubs for young talent.

Take Kessie, a hugely talented player. If we sign him, he gets a chance to play for us for 3-4 years improve, be in a settled team and by the end maybe move on to Manchester City the best in his position in world football. Or Chelsea, no doubt a more illustrious name, but likely having to face time being loaned out and maybe sold to the highest bidder in two years before he may be ready (like De Bruyne/Lukaku). Our pitch is a strong one. We have a good core of young players and you will get a chance in our team. Not just treated as a financial asset.

I do think this goes somewhat against Koeman’s natural judgement. As indicated above, he wants lads who can do a job next week. He is a pragmatist at his core. Yet if he is supplied with players who are better than what he has, he will play them irrespective of age. We’ve seen that with Davies. That the off field staff’s job now. Give him lads under 21 who are ready for the PL. The odd signing like Schneiderlin is a welcome addition just to smooth the process, but we shouldn’t be making 3-4 of them a year going forward as we’ve done this season.


To sum up, to understand Everton’s transfer policy we need to view it through the lens of competing interests and constituency groups. It may look more fragmented from the outside but the ultimate aim is the essential point. Do we add better players? If we get Koeman half a dozen talented lads below 21 and can he mould them to compete for titles? That is the question that will be critical. Keep calm, and expect to see more obscure names next week would be my advise.

Another excellently crafted contribution here mate. I agree with your analysis. You are correct that each transfer will be the result of agreement/compromise between Moshiri and the board, Koeman, and Walsh. I also think that if there are any deals between now and TDD, they will be at Walsh's end of the spectrum - younger, more obscure, and cheaper.

I actually hope that the majority of new signings fall into the "Walsh" category - not only will we need the numbers, but I don't think the resources are there for a big spend, particularly if Lukaku decided to stay. 5 "Koeman" signings would probably cost £125-£130m at today's rates.

We also need to buy young and relatively cheap where we can, in order to sell high seasons later. Personally I am fine with this. A good signing is one that either gives us 10 years of good service, or can be sold for several multiples of what we paid. This is just the way it is for a club in our position. Not that I wouldn't ideally want our best players to stay and always will, but who knows how much Lookman might be worth in 3 or 4 years, for example?

We are in a period now where I think we will see far more fluidity in player comings and goings than we are used to, particularly under the relative stagnation in the Moyes' years, as consistent as we were back then. I think this is exciting, and we have the structure in place now where we should be able to cope with a more profound turnover in the squad every 3-4 years.

Two other points that strike me;
1) The so-called "marquee" signing - I agree that Moshiri would like us to land one if possible, but are we are the stage where we can attract such, probably not. I would not put Kessie in that bracket, others might if we signed him ahead of Chelsea. You could describe him as being at the high-end of Walsh's range - a premium signing in the young, but not cheap category. If we paid £25-£30m for such a player, there isn't the same potential for a big return but conversely, the odds increase that he would be the sort of player to make a big impact quickly.

Being naturally pessimistic, maybe there's nothing in it, but his profile is the ideal type we should be going after - look at Spurs for example with Eriksen who was under the radar when signed, and years before, Modric.

2) We have yet to sign a player from a club outside the UK under the new regime. I wasn't keen on Belfodil, but even so it wasn't a great example of us at our best. Even with Deulofeu going to Milan (and I blame them for last evening's farce), I'm not sure if we have streamlined our operation properly on the continent in building relationships and networks. We seem to have an adequate scouting process, but with a player premium on transfers for English clubs, we will have to get it right in Europe, in order to make the best possible use of whatever budgets are available.

 

[LocalNative]

HAHAHAHAHAH they're trawling through a blues house in this tv show on ITV and he has bare Everton shirts but also... Ukraine and Dynamo Kiev memorabilia hahah.

He survived Yarmolenkogate 2015

 

[Bagpuss]

Where is Chris Brunt damnit

@Eggs put him back on the train at lime st yesterday because we are bringing in Aaron Cresswell instead.

 

[Eggs]

@Eggs put him back on the train at lime st yesterday because we are bringing in Aaron Cresswell instead.

....I did, Bagpuss. Needed Mrs Eggs help but we got there in the end.

 

[Deco]

New name on the Walsh's list:

 

[Neiziro]

New name on the Walsh's list:

We've got Zidane!

 

[Eggs]

....apparently this says Franck Kessie is not available ar any price this month;

http://www.gazzetta.it/Calciomercat...-kessie-asta-180506605639.shtml?refresh_ce-cp

 

[witchdoc187]

Before anyone goes overboard wishing Niasse well for his time at Hull put it into context he's earned around £2.5 million for a couple of tap ins inthe U23's. Big big mistake from the Martinez regime.....sooner give that to Tom Davies & Mason Holgate.

Not his fault mate. What's he supposed to do turn down the offer we made and say he doesn't deserve it?

 

[LocalNative]

Pipe down. It's an observation having watched live the vast majority of his games....his attitude stinks the place out. Bags of talent, zero effort or interest....to me that's far worse than zero talent.

How can bags of talent be worse than zero talent you buffoon?

 

[Eggs]

Not his fault mate. What's he supposed to do turn down the offer we made and say he doesn't deserve it?

...I'm still of a view that something isn't quite right about that transfer and he knows it. Just my opinion.

 

[brieverton]

Jese Rodriguez available on loan. Surely we should be in there?

 

[Nymzee]

Jese Rodriguez available on loan. Surely we should be in there?

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