Jail Time

[GrandOldTeam]

BBC News - Anti-Afghan War Awol soldier Joe Glenton jailed

A soldier who refused to return to Afghanistan because he opposes the war has been jailed after admitting going absent without leave (Awol).
L/Cpl Joe Glenton, 27, from York, joined the Army in 2004 but absconded in 2007 after serving with the Royal Logistic Corps in Afghanistan.
He handed himself in after two years and six days' absence.
Glenton, who is based at Abingdon, Oxfordshire, was jailed for nine months at Colchester and reduced to the ranks.
The court martial was told that Glenton, who later campaigned against the conflict, was discovered to be absent on 11 June 2007, when he was due to return to Dalton Barracks in Abingdon.
He returned to barracks 737 days later on 16 June 2009, when he was charged.
During that Glenton went to south east Asia and Australia.
He had previously performed a seven-month tour of duty in Afghanistan.
When he returned he was ordered to go back to the conflict zone.
Nigel Wrack, in mitigation, told the court martial that this was nine months after his previous tour had finished, even though military guidelines suggest soldiers should not be deployed again within 18 months.
Mr Wrack said Glenton had suffered from post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) after his first tour of duty.
'Coward and malingerer'
He told the court that when Glenton raised concerns about going back he suffered bullying.
"When he first raised with his staff sergeant his reluctance to be deployed again, instead of being dealt with in a sensible way it resulted in the sergeant at the time bullying and intimidating L/Cpl Glenton," he said.
"He was called a coward and a malingerer.
"When this information was brought to his commanding officer, the sergeant was spoken to, but this reinforced the bullying."
Consultant psychiatrist Lars Davidsson told the court Glenton may have reacted the way he did because of PTSD.
Glenton took part in an anti-war protest in October last year.
After the hearing a spokesman for the Stop the War Coalition said: "Joe Glenton is not the person who should be facing a jail sentence.
"It should be the politicians who have led us into disastrous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/8549261.stm

A paramedic has been jailed for 12 months for lying about why he did not try to resuscitate a 30-stone man.
Barry Baker, 59, had dialled 999 after collapsing at his Brighton home in November 2008.
Paramedic Karl Harris, 45, said he could not resuscitate him because he was surrounded by clutter. Mr Baker suffered cardiac arrest and died later.
Harris, of Tophill Close, Portslade, was found guilty at Lewes Crown Court of perverting the course of justice.
Harris was told he must serve at least six months in prison.
Jurors at Lewes Crown Court took about four hours to reach a guilty verdict.

Sentencing Harris immediately, Judge Guy Anthony said the paramedic had demonstrated a "gross breach of trust".
Harris's lawyer Gillian Jones said he had no previous convictions and said that no complaints had previously been made about his professional conduct.
She said Harris was aware that lying was a "silly and stupid thing to have done".
But the judge said he made "a clear and deliberate decision to lie" about Mr Baker's death.
Breathing difficulties
He told Harris: "Quite why will perhaps only be known for certain by you.
"Perhaps you felt there was more you could have done and you simply did not want to have the hassle of having to fill in large numbers of forms and explain why you did not or could not do more than you did."

The court heard Mr Baker dialled 999 at 0414 GMT on 29 November 2008 after experiencing breathing difficulties.
Harris told the court he arrived at the house but a large amount of clutter surrounding Mr Baker had prevented him and his colleague, Ben Stokes, from moving and resuscitating him.
The court heard that Harris had told his colleague not to attempt resuscitation because he believed Mr Baker was already dead.
A post-mortem examination found that a combination of Mr Baker's 30-stone (190.5 kg) weight, along with thrombosis of the legs, led to the cardiac arrest which killed him.
During the trial, a recording of a telephone call Harris made to the Brighton Ambulance Station was played to the court, in which he was heard to say: "I'm trying to cover my back here really.
"We tried to move this guy but it's impossible. You've never seen clutter like it mate, honestly.
"Police are on the scene but there's nothing dodgy about the job. We just didn't try to attempt resuscitation."
Harris was suspended from his job at South East Coast Ambulance Service NHS Trust following Mr Baker's death.
No charges were brought against Mr Stokes but the ambulance trust placed him on restricted duties following the incident.

9 months for the first, and 12 for the second. Thoughts?

 

[Goat]

Complete and utter farce.

They jail a soldier, who has served his country, yet countless frigging smackheads and God knows what other scum roam our streets.

Fck off England, you tinpot facists.

 

[Sharpys top lip]

Holiday Camp......!!!!


If they wanted to punish him. Should have sent him to Sporting last thursday...









Ona serious note, what a fu*king joke.

 

[moyes_bringin_it_back]

BBC News - Anti-Afghan War Awol soldier Joe Glenton jailed

Its the two years AWOL thats done this (the jail sentence)

He could have requested to be honorably discharged. Instead he went missing.


He's subject to the Queen's Regs. You know this when you volunteer. He wasn't conscripted. So haven't got any sympathy.

And as for the "bullying". Well that may be. However, its easy to attach a tag to the situation... without full facts.

And face it - a soldier's life is not like a civillians.

'Coward and malingerers' - get people killed.

 

[moyes_bringin_it_back]

BBC News - Anti-Afghan War Awol soldier Joe Glenton jailed



BBC News - Paramedic jailed over 999 30-stone man death

9 months for the first, and 12 for the second. Thoughts?

One is military justice. i.e. to maintain good order and discipline in the ranks. i.e. you - can't just wander off when you feel like. Or you can't just turn up when you feel like. Its about enforcing DISCIPLINE.

The other is a civillian case.

Two different sets of laws. The scale is probably an issue you're right. The second case should have got far far higher sentence.

 

[Rugby Toffee]

Complete and utter farce.

They jail a soldier, who has served his country, yet countless frigging smackheads and God knows what other scum roam our streets.

Fck off England, you tinpot facists.

Pete Docherty for one

 

[GrandOldTeam]

It's not a comparison MBIB, I'm well aware of legality issues - I'm just curious on views and suspected it could prompt healthy debate

 

[Muggins]

Holiday Camp......!!!!


If they wanted to punish him. Should have sent him to Sporting last thursday...

Ona serious note, what a fu*king joke.

 

[Cahill's Metatarsal]

Yet they feel pressured to let murderers & rapists out quickly because there's not enough space in our prisons

I ******* hate this country at times, if I didn't have as many ties as I do I'd be living abroad now, absolutely no question

 

[davek]

The soldier: they usually get 18 months between tours and he was getting sent back after 9 months so took a bit of R&R he deemed owing to him and reflected a bit about what was going on. Sounds like he had his head screwed on.

 

[Muggins]

It's not a comparison MBIB, I'm well aware of legality issues - I'm just curious on views and suspected it could prompt healthy debate

Honestly, the whole world is full of injustice. This just sits in line with everything else thats messed up.

I can't even read the papers any more. I feel they slap up the big text and outragous headlines to provoke and/or anger the public....when really there is sod all we can do except get you bovril, take your seat, and watch the Blue Boys smash Hull into next year!!!!


COYBB!!!!!

 

[kenada_blue]

Its the two years AWOL thats done this (the jail sentence)

He could have requested to be honorably discharged. Instead he went missing.


He's subject to the Queen's Regs. You know this when you volunteer. He wasn't conscripted. So haven't got any sympathy.

And as for the "bullying". Well that may be. However, its easy to attach a tag to the situation... without full facts.

And face it - a soldier's life is not like a civillians.

'Coward and malingerers' - get people killed.

This. For the first one. Fair enough he didnt like what he was doing....but youre a soldier, its your job. You want out, you've got rules. He broke em and his bird made a big song and dance about it.

The second. Pretty shitty really.

 

[Nordecke]

i dont have much room to talk on Englands Uniform code of military justice..

However, I was in the U.S. Military and to go AWOL is a serious offence, the length of this AWOL alone is baffling..

When you swear allegiance to your country, your brothers in arms and in this case, the Queen "God save her"... You better not break ranks regardless of how you might feel about the cause.. Soldiers aren't paid to think "atleast the infantry is not"

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

i dont have much room to talk on Englands Uniform code of military justice..

However, I was in the U.S. Military and to go AWOL is a serious offence, the length of this AWOL alone is baffling..

When you swear allegiance to your country, your brothers in arms and in this case, the Queen "God save her"... You better not break ranks regardless of how you might feel about the cause.. Soldiers aren't paid to think "atleast the infantry is not"

maybe he objected to fighting 'another mans war' ?
he wasn't exactly defending queen and country.
If he could have got out without going awol though then he should have taken that route, maybe it wasn't open to him without having to return to action though and he didn't want to tempt fate.
None of our lads should be there, it aint our war.

 

[cahillsalegend]

2 years on the run, wonder if he would of lasted so long with the dog chasein him..