Is that kiss goodbye to Moyes then? Who would you want if so?

[StDomingosGringo]

Who'd want the Everton job, knowing they'd have no money to spend? No one of any real quality. I wouldn't rush to search for a new manager, because we likely won't be very happy with the available candidates.

Like you BiB I want Moyes to stay. I appreciate the progress we have made under his tenure and still feel he is our best option currently despite his faults. However can't agree that we wouldn't be very attractive to the vast majority of Premier league (or equivalent) standard managers. Few managers enjoy the level of control and boardroom support (not financially obviously, it's only 10.30am here I haven't been on the glue) Moyes has and certainly not at the upper echalons of the Premier League.

If he was to go we'd have to be very careful about our next appointment and maybe think about a director of football structure to offer consistancy in player recuitment which we currently enjoy with having Moyes here for so long. We all know we can't afford a new coach to come in and make a series of expensive mistakes especially if he's spending money from player sales of first teamers taking the opportunity to jump ship with Davey.

 

[Blackwatch1878]

Moyes holds all the cards. He's a top manager (overall), and he knows it, and the board knows it. If we lose Moyes, it will be a massive backwards step for this club. You wouldn't just be losing the manager, because wherever he'd end up (and he would), he'd take all of his staff with him, so the club's internal structure would be decimated. That's before players start wanting to leave too, as I'm sure at least a few would.

We can't force Moyes to sign a new deal, we can't give him ultimatums. And anyway, say Moyes goes. Who'd want the Everton job, knowing they'd have no money to spend? No one of any real quality. I wouldn't rush to search for a new manager, because we likely won't be very happy with the available candidates.

err dunno maybe someone who has mitigating circumstance , Not that much pressure , Own boss , deflect blame back on others when it suits, Become multi millionaire in no time, , no idea either

 

[BoysInBlue]

Trouble with self satisfied guff like this is you can't see the wood for the trees do you think we'll be 5th or better come the end of the season?

Don't know, think we have a decent chance given we've spent most of the first half of the season in the top 5.

Do you think we'll win the FA cup? Nah, more likely Moyes will do a "Leeds" and get all clever with his team selection somewhere

Is the wrong answer, given he learnt from the Leeds debacle and played full strength teams against Cheltenham and Bolton. Again, who knows if we'll win the cup. Depends on hopefully getting past Oldham and getting a decent draw.

Last time I looked EFC started in 1878 and not the 90s, I know people like you like to ignore that because clown coaching like Moyes does wouldn't have been put up with in those 100 plus years before.

I am fully aware of our history. And again, this winning cups thing you seem to think Everton have a divine right for. 1984 to 1987 was the greatest period in this club's history. But what about the 14 YEARS before that, 1970 to 1984? I'm an arl arse, not some kid and I remember the **** times (and teams) very well. So no history lessons needed, thanks.

Koppite is it to want a club of our stature to win something at least once in a decade? Get a grip will ya?

No, 'Kopite' is making statements like 'Evertonians don't go to watch 7th and no cups' when that's exactly what a club with our limited financial resources and being in competition with far richer rivals can simply expect. It's 2013, we have £44m in financial liabilities, compared to £20m in liabilities just 5 years ago. And that's with increased tv money too. Hence why the squad is of the quality it currently is, and why the manager couldn't afford to buy Negrado, or take a risk on Fer.

It's a pity you seemingly lay the blame at Moyes, and not Kenwright and the board for the club's inability to take the 'next step' that we all want.

Some of you really need to be careful what you wish for - Villa under O'Neill were a top 6 side three seasons in a row, 2007 to 2010, and look what happened to them after a 'change for the better'.

 

[BoysInBlue]

err dunno maybe someone who has mitigating circumstance , Not that much pressure , Own boss , deflect blame back on others when it suits, Become multi millionaire in no time, , no idea either

I did say 'no one of any quality' would want the job. Of course plenty would fancy it - plenty of chancers. Doesn't mean they'd be any good though.

 

[Kevin Mirallas]

We won't win the fa cup. I'd bloody love but we would crap ourself

 

[Ihaters]

James Beattie £6m, Bilyaletdinov £9m, Andy Johnson £8.5m. Also you can hardly call Mirallas proven at this point.

Compare that to Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar, Jagielka, and casting our eye back further Nigel Martyn and Marcus Bent, he's clearly spent better when he has less to spend.

Give him actual money and he'll do well.. You quote 3 players as big money signings, one of which is 6mil... These are not big money signings, their the sort of funds clubs spend on youngsters to develop or squad players.
Carroll 35mil
Torres 50mil
That's big money signings, players were being sold for more than Beattie cost as far back as 1995.
Even Fellaini is not a big money signing, not even close to the top 100 fee's, there are players that cost that and more coming into the prem nearly every window. Its big to us, but give him actual money and I reckon we'll get a lot more Fellaini's than Billy's.
Your right though, he's earnt his reputation through his low cost players, some of which have been unreal.

 

[electricblue]

Utter rubbish.

What 'excuses'? We are 5th, level on points with 4th placed Spurs (alright they have a game in hand, but still).

'Evertonians don't go to watch 7th and no cups' - seriously, that is a Kopite-like, delusional statement. Pre-Moyes, we'd been utter ****e for 5 years, fighting relegation every season. Prior to that, we'd had one and a half good seasons under Joe Royle, and prior to that, again, largely ****e for 8 years since our last title win in 1987.

When people come out with the stuff you've posted, I just think there is a complete lack of appreciation for the job Moyes has done over the last 11 years.

Have a go at his substitutions by all means, that's fair game, and just frustration with how games are going. But pretending it is some sort of unrest against Moyes tenure as a whole? Not having that.

Spot on sir. You must support Coventry like myself and not want Everton to win anything.

Moyes got it wrong today in selecting JH and his decision backfired spectacularly. But someone using that as excuse to call for his head and make bizarre claims that our fanbase have 'had enough' of him is frankly ridiculous.


*goes back to reminiscing about Oggy's saves in the '87 cup final

 

[BoysInBlue]

James Beattie £6m, Bilyaletdinov £9m, Andy Johnson £8.5m. Also you can hardly call Mirallas proven at this point.

Compare that to Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar, Jagielka, and casting our eye back further Nigel Martyn and Marcus Bent, he's clearly spent better when he has less to spend.

Andy Johnson was a decent signing.

You can say Moyes 'has spent better when he has had less to spend' and then list a load of players, but that's only because 90% of the time he doesn't have much to spend. Ferguson at United has spent fortunes and he's bought absolute turkeys too - Veron £28m for example. If Moyes had big money all the time, he'd probably have a lot more hits than misses.

 

[MartSlinger]

BoysInBlue absolutely smashing it tonight. Well done, sir. Have some rep.

 

[helpimonfire]

Moyes might go if he reads all the threads about him on Tinternet. Hope he stays myself.

by the way, we can win the FA Cup....C,mon Blues.

 

[evertony]

What is the fascination with Moyes salary?

Irrespective of his salary he is either right/good enough to manage Everton or wrong/not suitable to manage Everton.

On a purely factual basis it's pretty obvious that the massive majority of Evertonians, football fans in general and Moyes peers rate him very highly and believe he has done a very good job during his tenure. Like all managers, the best included ( Ferguson, Shankley, Clough, Kendall etc) he makes tactical errors, signs the odd duffer and has periods where the quality of our play isn't what we ideally want to watch....but his positive points massively outweigh the negatives. His salary should have nothing to do with it.

 

[Allezfan]

What is the fascination with Moyes salary?

Irrespective of his salary he is either right/good enough to manage Everton or wrong/not suitable to manage Everton.

On a purely factual basis it's pretty obvious that the massive majority of Evertonians, football fans in general and Moyes peers rate him very highly and believe he has done a very good job during his tenure. Like all managers, the best included ( Ferguson, Shankley, Clough, Kendall etc) he makes tactical errors, signs the odd duffer and has periods where the quality of our play isn't what we ideally want to watch....but his positive points massively outweigh the negatives. His salary should have nothing to do with it.

It's value for money isn't it?

Torres is expected to produce more than Vellios because he costs more resources.

 

[nigelcoyb]

Don't know, think we have a decent chance given we've spent most of the first half of the season in the top 5.



Is the wrong answer, given he learnt from the Leeds debacle and played full strength teams against Cheltenham and Bolton. Again, who knows if we'll win the cup. Depends on hopefully getting past Oldham and getting a decent draw.



I am fully aware of our history. And again, this winning cups thing you seem to think Everton have a divine right for. 1984 to 1987 was the greatest period in this club's history. But what about the 14 YEARS before that, 1970 to 1984? I'm an arl arse, not some kid and I remember the **** times (and teams) very well. So no history lessons needed, thanks.



No, 'Kopite' is making statements like 'Evertonians don't go to watch 7th and no cups' when that's exactly what a club with our limited financial resources and being in competition with far richer rivals can simply expect. It's 2013, we have £44m in financial liabilities, compared to £20m in liabilities just 5 years ago. And that's with increased tv money too. Hence why the squad is of the quality it currently is, and why the manager couldn't afford to buy Negrado, or take a risk on Fer.

It's a pity you seemingly lay the blame at Moyes, and not Kenwright and the board for the club's inability to take the 'next step' that we all want.

Some of you really need to be careful what you wish for - Villa under O'Neill were a top 6 side three seasons in a row, 2007 to 2010, and look what happened to them after a 'change for the better'.

So your "utter rubish" outburst is based on what?

As far as I can see all you say is "you don't know", in which case you're in no position to spout such blockheaded nonsense.It's unprecedented for Moyes decisions to get booed and a couple of games running should tell you something if you weren't so closed minded, I'll give you a hint - "contract".

As for the implied surrender of ambition based on finances for christ sake don't watch the league cup final - what simplistic garbage.

 

[Bluenose1995]

I think we needed that 1-2 new faces to give the lads a lift I cant see any higher than 6th tbh too many **** ups against poor teams and its not a team issue its simple down to individuals 99% of the time.

GK
Howard

Def
Heitinga

Mid
Neville

ST
Jelavic

we have a player in every area of the pitch that hasnt turned up this season and its turned wins into draws through a lack of goals and/or letting daft goals in through bad defending.

 

[PITA]

Andy Johnson was a decent signing.

You can say Moyes 'has spent better when he has had less to spend' and then list a load of players, but that's only because 90% of the time he doesn't have much to spend. Ferguson at United has spent fortunes and he's bought absolute turkeys too - Veron £28m for example. If Moyes had big money all the time, he'd probably have a lot more hits than misses.

He has bought some quality though. Remember Djemba-Djemba?