Investment

[micknick]

It does make you think when you see sides like Pompey, Notts County and West Ham in so much financial trouble when so many people on here were aggreived that they had investment and we didnt.

Pompey in particular look a hell of a mess!

So maybe just maybe it is difficult to find the 'right' investment??!

 

[padefc]

im no expert but is it possible thet they were purchased and then remorgaged similar to the rs man u only a lot more heavily by people with less finacial clout so to speak thus putting the in clubs severe debt and having to borrow to buy infact just to survive

 

[Bruce Wayne]

People often assume that being bought is the same as investment. The majority trend is for owners to buy clubs with credit that they then place onto the books of the clubs they buy. Much rarer are the Chelsea/Man City takeovers that are done by the super rich that have money to burn.

 

[micknick]

People often assume that being bought is the same as investment. The majority trend is for owners to buy clubs with credit that they then place onto the books of the clubs they buy. Much rarer are the Chelsea/Man City takeovers that are done by the super rich that have money to burn.

I assume this. Im stupid arent I?

 

[Neiler]

People often assume that being bought is the same as investment. The majority trend is for owners to buy clubs with credit that they then place onto the books of the clubs they buy. Much rarer are the Chelsea/Man City takeovers that are done by the super rich that have money to burn.

Absoluley correct mate.

I think whats out in public domain is only scratching the surface. I would suspect

Man U
Liverpool
Fulham
Hull

are all financial trouble.

Great quaotes by Wenger this morning:


"It is certainly the worst financial situation in my 13 years in English football. Professional football is about winning and balancing the budget.

"That's the basic rule and one I fought for at Arsenal. The rest is half-cheating. Other clubs have artificial income from owners. They do not live off the money from the game.

"We live in a competitive world and that's why I say some of what happens now is financial doping."

Wenger says the situation has got so bad clubs who are struggling financially are just preying they will be bought by a Russian billionaire or a Saudi prince.

"All the clubs living in debt think a rich owner will come and buy them," added Wenger.

"It happened to Chelsea and it's what we thought happened at Portsmouth. I can't understand why the transfer market is busy when so many clubs are struggling financially."

 

[kenada_blue]

Where can we go from here as we are now?

Yes, I can see it being hard finding the right people that wont do the club over.

 

[Neiler]

Where can we go from here as we are now?

Yes, I can see it being hard finding the right people that wont do the club over.

There are many that will always criticise Bill: But in hinesight seeing what we have at other clubs you have to back him and say he is right to be looking for the "right investment". If you push his critics all you will get back is the trainset theroy and the simple startegy of getting a billionaire - not very realistic.

I think probably at the moment the club is the best run it has been since the prems inception. Although not perfect its a three way management process between Moyes-Elestone-Bill.

Two choices really either wait for the right investment - however long that will take - or follow a facility led approach of a new stadium similar to Arsenal albeit probably on a smaller scale. The two arent necessarily seperate in many ways a facility led startegy would make us far more attractive to investors. One of our main problems i beleive is that we compeate in a loan market with one of the biggest brands in European football in the [Poor language removed]. The Kirkby knock back has set us back years IMO.

 

[Goat]

I love standing still, its GREAT!

I read somewhere that 70% of all outgoing Transfer Fees that Wenger gets, must be used to buy players, its written into the loan agreement. So he has £38m burning a hole in his pocket from last Summer alone, plus the £3m a game they make at the Emirates.

Anyway, yeah hes a great blue Bill, but hes skint, cant carry on like this forever, sooner or later hes gonna have to take a chance on somebody.

For every Pompey, there is a City, roll of the dice, COME ON BILL ROLL SNAKE EYES!!!!

 

[teppic]

People often assume that being bought is the same as investment. The majority trend is for owners to buy clubs with credit that they then place onto the books of the clubs they buy. Much rarer are the Chelsea/Man City takeovers that are done by the super rich that have money to burn.

exactly. very well put, that pretty much hits the nail on the head.

people who are desperate for blue bill to sell do not realize that it is not always a sugar daddy who will take over.

 

[AdamTheGreatOneB]

Even though we may be standing still at the moment, other clubs who have tried to jump ahead of us have fallen behind (West Ham and Portsmouth), and I'm sure others will do too. At least we are stable.

 

[Goat]

Are we stable tho?? Are we really?

 

[AdamTheGreatOneB]

Compared to a lot of other teams, yes.

 

[Muggins]

Compared to a lot of other teams, yes.

We must be stable, we seem to be paying our players ok, and we're not on the news and still last on match of the day.

Service as normal if you ask me.

Wouldn't want to be Pompey.

Their owners are laundering money. read about Pompey on wikipedia....I'd never want to be in that situation.

 

[davek]

The counter thread to this would be:

Investment:

When you see teams like Villa, Man City and Chelsea near the top of the table and their fans delirious with the way they're being run it makes you wonder how some fans on here still support Bill and his cohorts who've invested zero, have run up record club debts and forced the manager into the last few transfer windows with a sell to buy policy.

Just maybe the right invesor is out there for us?



Swings and roundabouts.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Too true Dave but lets be clear :-

Investment is when some one puts money into the club as a loan or gift or the current shareholders creat new shares and sell them, the proceeds then go into the club's bank account.

Takeover is when some one buys the existing shares from the club's owners and the money goes into their bank accounts and then the new owner puts cash into the club whose shares he just purchased. That is also then investment.

With Pompey the shares were bought but no cash injected into the club. So in our case Investment can only come if new shares are created and then sold, or a loan obtained or all the existing shares are sold and the new owner puts cash into the club's account.