Investment in Everton

[Neiler]

And how does that work for Everton? You know as well as I do how stunted the club is in that respect. The deal with kitbag over the new build at the Park End wont generate anything like enough.

I agree, you know my thoughts, a new stadium is vital - sadly we are being left behind, im not against a takeover or investment but the days of directors loans have gone. So the context of investment has to change, from blowing wonga on the team to investing in infrastructure.

We're not that poorly of in the context of a clutch of clubs who i think will struggle to get their houses in order, the last two transfer windows though frustrating were hugely benifical.

Its going to be a brave new world and as such i think our attractiveness for investment in terms of potential, existing turnover and level of debt is likely to maybe see us as a favourable investment option.

 

[chicoazul]

Or maybe we don't need 6 squillion pounds to build a championship winning side. Sick of hearing about how money is the only way you can win things. That may have been the case for the past 10 years, but it may not always be the case. At the end of the day it's about football, not bank balances.

Football will change, it already is changing. I don't care what anyone says, but if you've got a great academy, you can save yourself millions of pounds, because the talent is already there. The team work, spirit, motivation etc... it's already there. You just need to make use of it.

Far too many clubs are thinking, right all we need to do is buy 10 players for around £300m and that's the league won. However, are you going to get that £300m back. Not likely.

So what will happen, which I believe is the right way, and the only way to prevent financial meltdown - and that is you need to balance your books, you need to have home grown players.

So maybe how it is now, isn't how it is going to be.

Some good points there mate and I'd prefer it the way you just stated.

Without money its very, very much harder though.

 

[Pat's Van]

So maybe how it is now, isn't how it is going to be.

Without a doubt.

The money men will eventually turn their intentions elsewhere, they always do.
And if you're lucky enough to be a well run club with "minimal debt", you may just survive when they all p!ss off.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Can I ask anyone who is interested. Is there anyone in the Premier League that they would swap Pienaar and Arteta for? Like for like.

Just looking to ascertain value, in other words, why do we need a multi-billionnaire? A good friend once said to me that a Mercedes Benz is only expensive if you can't afford it, if you can it's free. Kind of rings true when you put value on something.

Take those lot over the way. Glen Johnson is not worth £17m - Especially as we seem to have acquired a very similar kind of player for £150,000.

Lescott cost City £25m - we paid what £4m for him, he didn't improve £21m worth in 3 years did he?

If Arsenal, Chelsea or Man U had bought Arteta from Real Sociadad/PSG can't remember, anyway - do you think they would have paid £3m? or £15m?

Something worth thinking about when we wish for all told riches.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Some good points there mate and I'd prefer it the way you just stated.

Without money its very, very much harder though.

I don't think it is. But then it depends what you mean by money? Are we talking City money or Villa money? Also, what is wrong in selling to invest? It's what good businesses do. They buy/acquire/create a product. Then sell it for a profit, and then make the business better. For me we have one of the best business models in football.

Can anyone here say that we are worse off without Rooney and Lescott? Yet that's £50m right there.

 

[chicoazul]

I don't think it is. But then it depends what you mean by money? Are we talking City money or Villa money? Also, what is wrong in selling to invest? It's what good businesses do. They buy/acquire/create a product. Then sell it for a profit, and then make the business better. For me we have one of the best business models in football.

Can anyone here say that we are worse off without Rooney and Lescott? Yet that's £50m right there.

Yep agreed mate, we do have a great business model but as you were saying the other week about wanting Everton to win things, it's not likely unless we have money to invest in players. We can keep on shining these ones we pick up and selling them on but its not exactly helping is it? Our team would be better with Rooney and Lescott in it.

The best clubs tend to keep their players and add to them in order to win things.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Without a doubt.

The money men will eventually turn their intentions elsewhere, they always do.
And if you're lucky enough to be a well run club with "minimal debt", you may just survive when they all p!ss off.

Which they will do in the end. These foreign investors are in it for themselves, if it's not about profiteering, it's about playing a game with people's lives who they will never meet.

These Kopites are all laughing cos of this new Yank coming in, but the hypocricy within that club is what they are fast becoming known as.

Expect the "We Will Win The Title" threads, but they are basing that on the promise of riches, but it's like winning the lottery. Eventually it runs out if you don't have the sense to manage it properly, which they don't. They want success now, because they feel it is their right as Liverpool Football Club fans.

I'd much prefer us to do it the football way.

 

[Matt Damon]

“Bill Kenwright is looking for a different model of investor altogether.”

Thats tantamount to saying he want's a minority investor or "stakeholder" who'll provide capex at a level that commerically beneficial to both parties. And not looking for a huge wedge of cash like ... but more a drip drip over period of time it seems?

Rather than commercial bank rates etc and associated interest rates

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Yep agreed mate, we do have a great business model but as you were saying the other week about wanting Everton to win things, it's not likely unless we have money to invest in players. We can keep on shining these ones we pick up and selling them on but its not exactly helping is it? Our team would be better with Rooney and Lescott in it.

The best clubs tend to keep their players and add to them in order to win things.

Are they self-sufficient though? At what price?

With the sale of Rooney and Lescott we have been able to invest in the squad.

 

[chicoazul]

Are they self-sufficient though? At what price?

With the sale of Rooney and Lescott we have been able to invest in the squad.

My point is that it would have been better to keep Rooney and Lescott and add to them anyway. That would mean you build a better team and win shiny stuff.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

“Bill Kenwright is looking for a different model of investor altogether.”

Thats tantamount to saying he want's a minority investor or "stakeholder" who'll provide capex at a level that commerically beneficial to both parties.

Rather than commercial bank rates etc.

Maybe he wants someone who has the passion for the club, knows football, in other words doesn't walk around with a Mandingo size cigar hanging out his gob, or used to play Kabaddi at school.

Maybe he wants someone who can invest £50m a season in the transfer fund? Help build a stadium/renovate a stadium?

 

[Neiler]

Can I ask anyone who is interested. Is there anyone in the Premier League that they would swap Pienaar and Arteta for? Like for like.

Just looking to ascertain value, in other words, why do we need a multi-billionnaire? A good friend once said to me that a Mercedes Benz is only expensive if you can't afford it, if you can it's free. Kind of rings true when you put value on something.

Take those lot over the way. Glen Johnson is not worth £17m - Especially as we seem to have acquired a very similar kind of player for £150,000.

Lescott cost City £25m - we paid what £4m for him, he didn't improve £21m worth in 3 years did he?

If Arsenal, Chelsea or Man U had bought Arteta from Real Sociadad/PSG can't remember, anyway - do you think they would have paid £3m? or £15m?

Something worth thinking about when we wish for all told riches.

POTM!

Applauds!

*Must spread rep!

 

[GhostOfDixie]

My point is that it would have been better to keep Rooney and Lescott and add to them anyway. That would mean you build a better team and win shiny stuff.

Yes but we are not in that position financially to do so. We operate a different way, sometimes people just want to have the "Me Too, Me Too" feeling. Opening the newspaper and seeing us linked with some Brazilian/Argentinian wonderkid who is outscoring Pele 3-1.

We want to have the coverage on SSN, constantly seeing our name on the yellow breaking news bit with news that we've just signed Julio Geordio.

Maybe it's because of the poor level of income at Everton fans generally have, they want to have that feeling of being rich, even if it is proxy.

What it does do is rips the soul out of football.

 

[Matt Damon]

Maybe he wants someone who has the passion for the club, knows football, in other words doesn't walk around with a Mandingo size cigar hanging out his gob, or used to play Kabaddi at school.

Maybe he wants someone who can invest £50m a season in the transfer fund? Help build a stadium/renovate a stadium?

I can see that. Better an astute investor with £200-£300million than a buffoon billionaire who comes here and totally rips the heart out the club swamps us with foreign players and destroys any sort of youth system.

I'd go with that.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Maybe he wants someone who has the passion for the club, knows football, in other words doesn't walk around with a Mandingo size cigar hanging out his gob, or used to play Kabaddi at school.

Maybe he wants someone who can invest £50m a season in the transfer fund? Help build a stadium/renovate a stadium?

I used to play Kabaddi at school......or was that British Bulldogs?