Improvements?

[Seamus Colemole]

Of course we've improved.

We regularly win the possession, we make loads of passes and we play the most attractive sexiest looking football ever know to man.

If you don't think that's an improvement over the agricultural hoofball of Sargeant Major Moyes than you are a neandherthal troglodyte who isn't a proper Evertonian.

Ignore silly things like winning games or league position, they, just like goals from coners, don't count.

 

[sageyefc]

People say this, but I've little evidence of him wanting a creative player in the center

Apart from were he specifically said he'll be targeting a creative midfielder in his transfer plans a few weeks ago. Or were hes said multiple times how the team misses a pienear or osman when there injured

 

[Walken]

Apart from were he specifically said he'll be targeting a creative midfielder in his transfer plans a few weeks ago. Or were hes said multiple times how the team misses a pienear or osman when there injured

he doesn't play either osman or pienaar centrally, that's not to say we haven't missed pienaar, he may well fo said that, I hope it's true, I stop watching or reading anything he says about 6 months ago in all honesty

 

[davek]

After Moyes raised our expectations.

The only thing he raised was his bank account balance.

£3M per year for that dross. Ker-ching.

 

[Kendall's Dream]

Last season was the best I've ever watched Everton and this season's Europa League was probably the most exciting even though it had an awful ending. Sadly wasn't here to watch Everton in the 80s. As people are saying, next season will prove it. You cannot compare 10 years of one managers reign to just two of another.

 

[daz4matty]

Last season was the best I've ever watched Everton and this season's Europa League was probably the most exciting even though it had an awful ending. Sadly wasn't here to watch Everton in the 80s. As people are saying, next season will prove it. You cannot compare 10 years of one managers reign to just two of another.

This summer and next season up to october/november time will determine the future of the manager.
He has a lot of hard work ahead but his willingness eventually to change gives hope.
He has to ditch howard though and stop picking naismith from the start

 

[Heaventon]

Should be a option to early to say, at least give a 3rd season.

 

[blulouie]

Some good points raised here.Fantastic possession based football last season , this season its almost impossible to compare due to factors well publicised on here.
World Cup hangover,Horrendous pre season,Injuries to almost every key player,dramatic drop in form from some senior players,squad not big enough for a testing but enjoyable european campaign coupled with the speculation and heads being turned of some of our brightest players.
As Groucho hinted I can see what Martinez is trying to do but to get it right he has some major decisions to make . If he continues to persevere with a couple of players
that are clearly not at the same level as last season it will ultimately cost him his job.This will be his biggest test plus getting the right replacements in.
Yes I think we have improved as a club,if we wanted another team that is 1 hard to beat. 2 difficult to play against . & 3 effective . But forever being out of reach of winning something then we should have employed Tony Pulis.....Roll on next season.

 

[royalblue66]

Massive,massive job getting the team anywhere near the levels of last Season,will be interesting to see if any of the kids are ready to take the next step up into the first team,we havn't seen it yet, and he also has to get rid of the dead wood yes one massive job, good luck Roberto,you are going to need it IMHO.

 

[Lowste]

He's two seasons into the job.

When did we become so impatient?

This is my annoyance with people
We have this grandeur in certain quarters were people believe we should be challenging for the top 4 and winning cups.

I believe we massively improved season 1
In season 2 we have gone backwards from the previous season, and for a club like us we will always have the highs and lows.
In DM he gave us stability, with no real desire to win something
In RM time will tell if he has the instinct to get us to win or challenge

I am more than prepared to give him time

 

[jackyboy]

This summer is his biggest test.

I stand by what I said when a lot were calling for his head.

Give the man till Christmas and then judge, let him have a clearout and bring more of his own players in and then we can reassess. I'm still keeping faith with him, although he is going to have to be very shrewd in his dealings to bring himself into the same league as Moyes with regards to transfers. Very shrewd indeed.

For the record I think we will see a fair few players leave this season, notably Distin, Lennon, Alcaraz, Atsu, Pienaar and Hibbert.

Not a great deal but our squad then reads;

Howard
Robles

Coleman
Jagielka
Stones
Baines
Garbutt
Oviedo

Gibson
McCarthy
Barry
Besic
Barkley
Osman
McGeady
Mirallas

Lukaku
Naismith
Kone

Not the biggest squad in the world is it?

 

[Lowste]

This summer is his biggest test.

I stand by what I said when a lot were calling for his head.

Give the man till Christmas and then judge, let him have a clearout and bring more of his own players in and then we can reassess. I'm still keeping faith with him, although he is going to have to be very shrewd in his dealings to bring himself into the same league as Moyes with regards to transfers. Very shrewd indeed.

For the record I think we will see a fair few players leave this season, notably Distin, Lennon, Alcaraz, Atsu, Pienaar and Hibbert.

Not a great deal but our squad then reads;

Howard
Robles

Coleman
Jagielka
Stones
Baines
Garbutt
Oviedo

Gibson
McCarthy
Barry
Besic
Barkley
Osman
McGeady
Mirallas

Lukaku
Naismith
Kone

Not the biggest squad in the world is it?

Why to Xmas mate, we give the last man 11 years.
If we let him go, we start all over again, we can't do quick fixes like the like of City
The man needs 3-5 years, then judge him
One last note we haven't had a world beating team for a long time

 

[Dymak]

There's no comparison, Moyes is by far the better manager, but that isn't difficult when you consider just how boring negative, and ineffective Martinez' style of football is. I see that it is Moyes' signings that are currently doing the business at Man United, and not the 150million pounds worth of tripe bought by Van Gaal, which has seen United improve by a massive 3 places, despite him spending well over 400% more than Moyes.

Moyes came in an honoured an 11 year long contract, and totally transformed the club within that period. It's an absolute disgrace the way some Evertonians speak about him, as if he was some kind of traitor who did us over. Especially when it is coming from the same people who have been sucking off Martinez just because his chat up lines when he first came to club made them blush. We have regressed since Moyes left, and that's despite Martinez having the biggest transfer budget in living memory. Martinez is a major, major gobshite who isn't fit to lace Moyes boots.

 

[blue_aussie05]

Dymak, we've regressed this season, but you can't say we did so as soon as Moyes left given Martinez got more points, at the first attempt, than Moyes ever did. Not only that, we won at Old Trafford for the first time in 20 odd years, and played attractive expansive footy at times.

Yes, Martinez has undone all that this season, but I'm willing to give him a bit longer on the basis of his first season.

 

[blue_aussie05]

And you say Man U have improved by 'a massive' 3 places. Assuming they finish 4th and in the CL places, the difference between that and 7th for a club like them is massive. Yes they've spent a shed load of money, but if they improve another 'massive 3 places' again next season, they'll be champions.

So the difference in 3 places is massive at the top end of the league. Imagine if we'd improved by 3 places this season, wouldn't you be made up?