2025/26 Iliman Ndiaye

davids said:
Easy to YouTube,there are plenty of penalties that good keepers get both hands to but can't keep out. If you read my original post..."If the keeper guesses right that's an awful penalty"
As it was he didn't.
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Penalties is a mad science thesedays.
Keeper has two options - commit to a side, or stand and try to react, and figure out what they’ll do on the striker’s run up.
Committing to a side increases the chances of getting to one right inside the post, if they go the right way.
Standing and reacting reduces the power the keeper can generate for the dive, but increases the chances of forcing the penalty taker. I think Ndiaye won the double-bluff with Henderson.
Woltermade’s pen for Newcastle at the weekend looked great but could have just as easily been walloped over the bar.
I think the level of detail that goes into preparing Pickford is great.
 

davids said:
Easy to YouTube,there are plenty of penalties that good keepers get both hands to but can't keep out. If you read my original post..."If the keeper guesses right that's an awful penalty"
As it was he didn't.
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But the keeper didn't 'guess' the right way so it's pointless even highlighting it. The entire point of the his technique is he knows which side the keeper is going before he strikes it. His heads up looking at the keeper the entire time. Henderson goes and he slides it the other side.

It's easy to youtube Ndiayes penalties where he's sent 4 of the keepers the wrong way and the one he didn't against Brighton he stuck in the very bottom corner. IF the keeper dived the right way or stood him up the odds are he actually does put more on it and aims closer to the corner. But the whole point of his technique is that if he gets it right he won't need to find the corner the majority of the time.

There's also plenty of examples of players running up and blasting it aiming for the corners and missing the target. If he knows he's sent the keeper I'd much rather him slide it into the middle of the empty side of the goal than trying to pick out a corner to look more aesthetically pleasing
 
davids said:
It is,I'm surprised how many were triggered by pointing out that "if" the keeper guesses right then it's a poor penalty and that there is a difference between a knaff penalty and a great save.
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Law of averages he's going to miss sometime, even the very best footballers miss pens matey. Who was our best ever penalty taker, Baines or Unsworth, or anyone else I've not mentioned ?
 
Ed_Winchester said:
Penalties is a mad science these days.
Keeper has two options - commit to a side, or stand and try to react, and figure out what they’ll do on the striker’s run up.
Committing to a side increases the chances of getting to one right inside the post, if they go the right way.
Standing and reacting reduces the power the keeper can generate for the dive, but increases the chances of forcing the penalty taker. I think Ndiaye won the double-bluff with Henderson.
Woltermade’s pen for Newcastle at the weekend looked great but could have just as easily been walloped over the bar.
I think the level of detail that goes into preparing Pickford is great.
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Pickford does well,I'm sure other keeper and their coaches do similar homework. Woldermade took what can be described as the perfect penalty. Can he do it every time? We'll see.
 
mahermi1 said:
Law of averages he's going to miss sometime, even the very best footballers miss pens matey. Who was our best ever penalty taker, Baines or Unsworth, or anyone else I've not mentioned ?
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Roy Vernon. As you say most will miss one. Great save or poor execution is the question.
 

EFC_FRANCIS said:
But the keeper didn't 'guess' the right way so it's pointless even highlighting it. The entire point of the his technique is he knows which side the keeper is going before he strikes it. His heads up looking at the keeper the entire time. Henderson goes and he slides it the other side.

It's easy to youtube Ndiayes penalties where he's sent 4 of the keepers the wrong way and the one he didn't against Brighton he stuck in the very bottom corner. IF the keeper dived the right way or stood him up the odds are he actually does put more on it and aims closer to the corner. But the whole point of his technique is that if he gets it right he won't need to find the corner the majority of the time.

There's also plenty of examples of players running up and blasting it aiming for the corners and missing the target. If he knows he's sent the keeper I'd much rather him slide it into the middle of the empty side of the goal than trying to pick out a corner to look more aesthetically pleasing
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No keeper is "sent the wrong way" See Pickford and his famous drinking bottle. They all do their homework and act accordingly. My point was a simple one. If he strikes it firmly into the corner and it's kept out it's a great save,if he rolls it a few feet in from the post,it's a duff penalty.
 
davids said:
It is,I'm surprised how many were triggered by pointing out that "if" the keeper guesses right then it's a poor penalty and that there is a difference between a knaff penalty and a great save.
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Triggered as in pointing out that the keeper dived and then Ndiaye hit it the opposite way?

I think it is called debating and disagreeing with you.

I mentioned that I can see your point to an extent, but the way he took the penalty he was the one deciding, as a reaction, rather than the keeper. As somebody has mentioned, if he put more on it then he adds to the risk factor, not reduces it. If his style on Sunday was to choose a side and stick with, without reacting to the keeper then it would have been struck harder and more into the corner.

I suppose the debate is that there is more than one way to take a penalty, more than one way to strike the ball and it all depends on that game of chicken that the keeper and the taker could be playing, who flinches first. It was a good, well taken penalty because it went in cleanly, leaving the keeper no chance to save it.
 
davids said:
No keeper is "sent the wrong way" See Pickford and his famous drinking bottle. They all do their homework and act accordingly. My point was a simple one. If he strikes it firmly into the corner and it's kept out it's a great save,if he rolls it a few feet in from the post,it's a duff penalty.
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Fair, You've gone from having an opinion to just being objectively wrong.
 
wandyr79 said:
Triggered as in pointing out that the keeper dived and then Ndiaye hit it the opposite way?

I think it is called debating and disagreeing with you.

I mentioned that I can see your point to an extent, but the way he took the penalty he was the one deciding, as a reaction, rather than the keeper. As somebody has mentioned, if he put more on it then he adds to the risk factor, not reduces it. If his style on Sunday was to choose a side and stick with, without reacting to the keeper then it would have been struck harder and more into the corner.

I suppose the debate is that there is more than one way to take a penalty, more than one way to strike the ball and it all depends on that game of chicken that the keeper and the taker could be playing, who flinches first. It was a good, well taken penalty because it went in cleanly, leaving the keeper no chance to save it.
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I didn't actually say it was a poor penalty,I said if...blah blah blah.🙄
 

davids said:
I didn't actually say it was a poor penalty,I said if...blah blah blah.🙄
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Sorry, maybe it is me being thick but I don't understand your point now.

Were you not saying that it was poorly kicked, as in the direction and strength? Is that not saying it was a poor penalty? Your argument also seems to be that if the keeper dived the other way it would have been easily saved, again can be construed as saying it is a poor penalty?

In my opinion the hypothetical involving the way the keeper dived is irrelevant, given the technique he used of playing the game of chicken and waiting for the keeper to dive. If the keeper stayed or dived the other way the penalty would have been taken differently. Direction and speed would have changed. We will never know in that scenario, but it is a great skill to have to decide how and where to shoot that late, dependent on the keepers decision.
 
wandyr79 said:
Sorry, maybe it is me being thick but I don't understand your point now.

Were you not saying that it was poorly kicked, as in the direction and strength? Is that not saying it was a poor penalty? Your argument also seems to be that if the keeper dived the other way it would have been easily saved, again can be construed as saying it is a poor penalty?

In my opinion the hypothetical involving the way the keeper dived is irrelevant, given the technique he used of playing the game of chicken and waiting for the keeper to dive. If the keeper stayed or dived the other way the penalty would have been taken differently. Direction and speed would have changed. We will never know in that scenario, but it is a great skill to have to decide how and where to shoot that late, dependent on the keepers decision.
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