2018/19 Idrissa Gueye

[Tez]

Bad, bad deal for us if what's reported is true. Of our four permanent midfielders (Gana, Schneiderlin, Davies and McCarthy), he is the best by a street.

If we had a few good midfielders or if they were going to pay a massive fee then you could see it being worth our while but neither are true.

Their attraction to him is that they see him as a cheap option. We should not even entertain selling one of our best players for £25m when the RS sold a kid who never plays for £19m last week.

If he goes and say Barrios comes in, what happens if the Premier League finds him out like it did Klaassen? What happens if we get to the summer and Gomes gets poached by another team in the Champions League?

 

[Stephenlloyd]

How am I having a laugh?

I agree with you that he made some bad errors the other day, I can remember three off the top of my head. But it is an actual fact that he made 100 successful passes, with only 11 failed ones. I don't care what Twitter says, that is - to quote Rafael - a fact. Angry Da bot 2000 on Twitter doesn't alter that.

And as it stands, yes, I would, right now. Because I don't see what £35m gets us at this point in the season.

In the summer, I'd be a lot more open to it. But at this stage I don't think £35m gets us the quality (which we would need to be able to guarantee, btw) two players that we would need in midfield. We already need one, as it is, so we'd need another if Gana went.

A player like Doucoure would be ace. He'd guarantee quality, and in an ideal world would come in to complement Gana and Gomes. But Watford wouldn't sell, not to us, not halfway through the season. They might to a massive club, but only for silly money, because he's on a huge, long-term contract there. And they know they'd get £40m-50m anyway come the summer, no problem. Same applies for Ndombele at Lyon. Obviously there are other players, but there's not many that fit the profile and quality which we'd need to bring in to guarantee a smooth transition halfway through the campaign. If we pulled off a signing like that, it'd be a major coup and surprise at this stage in the season.

If we don’t sell now, we will never get the opportunity again, the problem for me is obviously I don’t think he’s good enough full stop, but we are 2 maybe 3 years away from challenging the top 4, by then he would be 33 and finished.

You talk about important games, which all games are, but what’s the best we can hope for 7th and do we really want to start next season early July. We aren’t getting 6th or top 4. So to me selling gana is no big deal. Or do we keep him just for the FA Cup?
Why I think we will have money to spend every window, selling a player who’s on the way down and is never getting better, for a ridiculous fee is something I don’t think Brands will turn down. It all about the long game.

That why I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Walcott and siggurdsson go in the next couple of windows, if we received decent offers.

 

[BlueToff]

If we don’t sell now, we will never get the opportunity again, the problem for me is obviously I don’t think he’s good enough full stop, but we are 2 maybe 3 years away from challenging the top 4, by then he would be 33 and finished.

You talk about important games, which all games are, but what’s the best we can hope for 7th and do we really want to start next season early July. We aren’t getting 6th or top 4. So to me selling gana is no big deal. Or do we keep him just for the FA Cup?
Why I think we will have money to spend every window, selling a player who’s on the way down and is never getting better, for a ridiculous fee is something I don’t think Brands will turn down. It all about the long game.

That why I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Walcott and siggurdsson go in the next couple of windows, if we received decent offers.

I want to see us finish as well and as high as possible, and to do that you need your better players and, ideally, to add better to them by selling dross, which we have plenty of.

I want us to finish high so that we don't have fans shouting for Silva's head, because that would be the case.

So yes, I want Gana to stay.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Literally four defenders all left Doucoure unmarked.

Gomes did exactly the same against Spurs - let Alli run right past him. Do you want him sold? Digne left Rondon free v Newcastle, what about him?

And who has said he is world class? I never have once used that term. There are very few truly world class players. Fernandinho is one of them - but again a different type of player to Gana. More of a player who relies on positioning and reading of the game and has that elegance and precision on the ball that Gana doesn't.

Gomes isn’t our defensive midfielder though, but yes he should have done better. And Coleman was more at fault fir the Newcastle goal.

Think you need to watch the doucoure goal again they are virtually together outside box, with gana goal side. His job as our defensive midfielder marking their attacking midfielder, was to track him and stop his run, block him drag him to the ground making it look like a coming together. So I blame him 100% for that goal, because like I keep getting told. It’s not his job to score or assist. And it’s not his job to play killer forward passes. He’s our defensive midfielder.

 

[BlueToff]

Gomes isn’t our defensive midfielder though, but yes he should have done better. And Coleman was more at fault fir the Newcastle goal.

Think you need to watch the doucoure goal again they are virtually together outside box, with gana goal side. His job as our defensive midfielder marking their attacking midfielder, was to track him and stop his run, block him drag him to the ground making it look like a coming together. So I blame him 100% for that goal, because like I keep getting told. It’s not his job to score or assist. And it’s not his job to play killer forward passes. He’s our defensive midfielder.

Fine, and i blame Gomes 100% for the Alli goal. He's our box-to-box midfielder.

Look, I am not saying Gana shouldn't be better on the ball. He has no excuse for some of the simple errors he makes. But that doesn't negate what he's good at.

We'll see what happens. But at this stage in the season it would seem a very naive move, imo.

 

[Brownie]

And it looks like EVERTON, that's right EVERTON

 

[Bluewolf]

Well, on the forward pass point, the same applies to every player. Gomes does loads - loads - of the passes to the fb's, is he negative? It's still moving the ball forward... although I understand your point.

And yes, he's not great with the key passes/chances created etc. I won't dispute that. Our issues stem from him having to act as a creative fulcrum. We signed Gomes to try and counter that, and it worked in our good run. Gomes has hit some issues -due to several reasons - and now the onus has switched back to Gana. I'll readily accept he isn't good enough in that regard.

But it doesn't negate from what he is good at, and what he is good at is crucial to how Silva wants to play - which is give the front five, plus the full-backs complete freedom to push on.

And not sure on your last point, will have to check if I get the time.

The point is He isn't doing anything with the ball and these forward passes you're championing will be nothing more then glorified sideways passes most of the time.

Gomes is crucial to how we played when we played well. Him getting the ball and popping it off, receiving it again and opening up space. Drawing players in and passing round them. When gana gets the ball it's a worry tbh. As we can tell by his stats he is more likely to loose the ball then do anything of any good with it.

Like was said earlier, he may of only lost the ball 11 times but how many lead to chances?

I believe gana is just the player that is best suited to that position but not very well suited to it. I've believed from the moment we signed Silva as manager that he wouldn't be at everton for long.

Gana is a fantastic ball winner but we as a team need more from our cm/cdm. Too many times in the last month gana's inability to add anything to the attack has been a factor to our poor results.

 

[Axlswhk]

Gana being blame for our poor attack ahead of Walcott dcl Richarlison siggy Bernard. Strange that. Without Gana winning the ball, our attacking quartet will never get the amount of possession they have now. His role is simply that and he is doing a fantastic job just by doing that.

 

[Verbal Kint]

I struggle to believe that there is any truth to this link. PSG have money to burn but 40m for Gana???

That's not gonna happen. I'd consider a 20m offer tbh

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I struggle to believe that there is any truth to this link. PSG have money to burn but 40m for Gana???

That's not gonna happen. I'd consider a 20m offer tbh

They may have plenty to burn mate, but supposedly because of FFP they can only spend a certain amount this window.

 

[Tez]

They may have plenty to burn mate, but supposedly because of FFP they can only spend a certain amount this window.

That's the kicker with this proposed move. They're only in for him because they see him as the best they can get for a song. Why should we even entertain that? He's a key player and they want to buy him for not much more than Bournemouth payed for Solanke. Ridiculous.

 

[gixerk6]

Those stats look nice and all but you have to look at it in context. Two of those failed passes were at the edge of our area where a better team would have punished us. Another one was on the edge of their area while we had loads of players up and they countered. I like Gana but his passing and shooting has always been something he doesn't do well enough.

Problem is Gomes over the last three games has been guilty of the same poor passing as well as most of the team. It’s not just Gueye that can’t pass it’s the whole team.

 

[tim cahill]

I think I’d let him go if he wants to and we can get a decent fee. He’s not getting any younger and I think we could do with someone in his role that’s better on the ball. We need that if we going to get where we want to be.

 

[BlueToff]

I struggle to believe that there is any truth to this link. PSG have money to burn but 40m for Gana???

That's not gonna happen. I'd consider a 20m offer tbh

You'd take £1m more for one of our best players than Liverpool got for Solanke, who has not made an appearance this season?

 

[orly]

SELL