This was never going to be a short investigation. I fully back Holgate in all of this. But one word against another cases tend to be lengthy proceedings.
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brigadier
Player Valuation: £10m
Liverpool have there own cameras I'm sure, they are not above deleting footage to save themselves, Didn't they have a behind the scenes game against Burnley for suarez only for him to start agro again and sure enough the tape they sent had the altercation deleted.
It will be good to hear the decision won't it mate. I've read some disgusting comments by that lot plus comments on here questioning Holgate which doesn't sit right with me but hopefully he and we will find out next week what their findings are
The longer it goes on the more I'm inclined to think something was said.
Surely if nothing was said then they'd have announced it by now
Surely if nothing was said then they'd have announced it by now
bullybeef
Player Valuation: £50m
Or they are dragging it out to make it look like they’ve investigated it thoroughly.
Depends which angle you look at it from.
Wouldn’t read too much into it.
Them snakes will always come out of it smelling of roses. Where as us...
Well you know the score.
Yarrgh
Player Valuation: £70m
Putting two and two together to make a number between 3.95 and 4.05 here.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Spot on.
Two Everton players a yard from the incident spin round in shock and fury at what Firmino said and that's outweighed for some because they swallowed the Kopite 'misheard' fallacy their placemen in the media desperately got up off the ground as an excuse. Shame on them.
If Holgate and Kenny both said it happened, it happened.
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And a made up league table where lack of shots means you’re top, or whatever their moronic alternative is.
tim cahill
Player Valuation: £50m
Has Kenny said it happened? I think that’s what it’ll boil down to. If Holgate is on his own then nothing will happen.
Can't see it myself, when Holgate reacts to what was said Kenny is literally holding Firmino and looking at him, and when Holgate reacts Kenny doesn't flinch, you would think this was because he didn't hear what was said.
dave reckons Kenny spins round in shock though, never seen that myself.
Yep, Kenny initially doesn't flinch @davek and it takes a couple of seconds for him to react. About 2 seconds later ( and I've watched it a few times to freshen my memory ) Holgate absolutely flips his lid, grabs the ref and also tries to go looking for Firminho.
At this stage Milner grabs him and drags him away. Kenny definitely says something to the ref so I'm assuming he has said to the ref Did you hear what he said as Kenny then tells Rooney and Rooney and Jagielka are speaking to the ref asking him has he heard it and he puts his hands to his ears as if to say he couldn't hear it as there was a lot if noise. Morgan by this stage has dragged Holgate away.
Before Kennys head gets in the way you see him finish with the word Puta but there's no doubt in my mind he says something additional ( and not just because if the reaction ) but his mouth position looks like he has said something else the next time he goes to him ( once Kenny has unblocked the view ).
My honest opinion is that Holgate has been called what he says, Kenny has heard something but maybe not as clear as Holgate heard it. The ref hasn't heard it as he loses control of the situation and is looking to his right so perhaps isn't sure what was said.
100% I believe Holgate has been the subject of racism after watching it again about 7/8 times ( I was 98% sure the 1st time round)
No conspiracies though, I believe there will be a camera angle proving what he said but if they come out and say there was "insufficient" evidence to charge the player with racism well to me that would only confirm he did say it anyway.
They have to come out and 100% confirm he didn't use the word imo and some of the comments about Holgate from rs fans have been nothing short of a disgrace. I wish I could blow up Twitter becsuse it really brings out the worst in human beings. Saying that, some of the comments from them in the echo report a few days ago was just as bad.
Lastly ( sorry Lou for the long rant lol ) I'm not surprised to see that Madley has been taken out if the firing line of Premier league games the last 2 matches since this incident. An ex referee had mentioned he wasn't in great form in the lead up to our match ( I'm not sure what match he had previously but apparently it had a couple if controversial decisions, maybe Bournemouth v West Ham??? ) and the pen he gave was an atrocious decision, I still can't believe he wasn't booked for diving
Yeah something deffo been said, what convinces me more is that Holgate doesn't react to the puta stuff, but then reacts to what was said after, hopefully Kenny has heard any racist comments.
Yep I had an argument with my mate about it and he said "you can clearly see he says puta" and I say yes we can all see that but he doesn't react to that he reacts to something else. He was having absolutely none of it, its there to see but nope his mind is made up that he's misheard Firminho and Holgate is in the wrong. That's that problem you see, the majority of them will stick their head in the sand and convince themselves that their players/club would do no such thing.
I had a falling out with the missus over it because I said their club have got form for this kind of thing. That was not me lying, it was me stating fact. Managers making players wear Suarez t shirts in defence of him should have seen that club deducted points for the sheer stupidity of it.
Ideally this would all be a misunderstanding wouldn't it because racism shouldn't be playing a part in any sport. But if he is found guilty I'll be on every bloody message possible to talk down to those rats who have saw fit to call Holgate all kinds
I know it's probably because "he's an Everton player" and I most likely have blinders on, but I just don't see Holgate as the type of player that would make something like this up. Maybe he misheard or whatnot, but he seems like a professional player who getting bitched at for a pretty bad foul wouldn't phase him. Something made him go balistic. Occam's Razor.
I don't buy the kopite explanation of he blagged it to avoid a card.
Their razors a bit blunt
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