Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

[magicjuan]

This one irritated me muchly today. Hitchens is spot on too.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

This one irritated me muchly today. Hitchens is spot on too.

Aye. He (Hitchens) said the same thing about bliarites on ch4 before (As I posted)

 

[tsubaki]

This one irritated me muchly today. Hitchens is spot on too.

At the 2015 leadership election, Corbyn won in every category - members, affiliates, £3-folk. All of them. This idea (edit: that Spellar floats) that he only won because of people signing up is ball-cocks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2015#Result

 

[sd_1992]

So are they actually going to challenge him or just try and undemocratically force him out?

 

[Jib in lad]

So are they actually going to challenge him or just try and undemocratically force him out?

They are currently in the emotional blackmail phase.

 

[Number_25]

When Corbyn wins the leadership election with a massive majority again, the PLP has a duty to work with the leadership.

 

[bizzaro]

Corbyn is unelectable.

The PLP know this. Corbyn can appeal to the entire labour party.

No one in the wider electorate will vote for him as his policies are crazy.

That is why the PLP want rid of him.

Pure and simple. The PLP are there to win the labour party elections and to get into government.

It seems grass roots have forgotten this.

What with Momentum faction going all TEA PARTY. Holding the wider labour party hostage.

 

[Milkman]

Corbyn is unelectable.

The PLP know this. Corbyn can appeal to the entire labour party.

No one in the wider electorate will vote for him as his policies are crazy.

That is why the PLP want rid of him.

Pure and simple. The PLP are there to win the labour party elections and to get into government.

It seems grass roots have forgotten this.

What with Momentum faction going all TEA PARTY. Holding the wider labour party hostage.

Beyond Trident – which I happen to agree with Corbyn on but understand it's clearly a divisive issue – which policies in particular are you talking about there?

 

[bizzaro]

Beyond Trident – which I happen to agree with Corbyn on but understand it's clearly a divisive issue – which policies in particular are you talking about there?

His views on the British military.

His views on national defence.

His views on / advocating for completly uncontrolled immigration.

His views on the economy and tax and spending.

His views on renationalising 'everything'.

His personal views on Europe.

His views on the monarchy.

 

[Milkman]

His views on the British military.

His views on national defence.

His views on / advocating for completly uncontrolled immigration.

His views on the economy and tax and spending.

His views on renationalising 'everything'.

His personal views on Europe.

His views on the monarchy.

Sounds like the Labour leadership doesn't really effect you then? There's another party that can offer you all of those things.

 

[bizzaro]

Sounds like the Labour leadership doesn't really effect you then? There's another party that can offer you all of those things.

I'm in the middle ground. I'm the sort that needs to be appealed to in order to get a parliamentary majority.

You don't appeal to me and my people.

You don't get into government

 

[Milkman]

I'm in the middle ground. I'm the sort that needs to be appealed to in order to get a parliamentary majority.

You don't appeal to me and my people.

You don't get into government

No you're not, it's not 2005 anymore, the middle ground is not where the next election can be won. I'd hate the thought of a Labour party that shares your point of view on all of those reasons you've mentioned above.

 

[orchard]

I've got this @Mrtallywacker

So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.

I'm in the middle ground. I'm the sort that needs to be appealed to in order to get a parliamentary majority.

You don't appeal to me and my people.

You don't get into government

 

[bizzaro]

No you're not, it's not 2005 anymore, the middle ground is not where the next election can be won. I'd hate the thought of a Labour party that shares your point of view on all of those reasons you've mentioned above.

Are you calling me a 'Blairite' the new insult in Jeremy's mob?

Friend. The middle ground is where every election is won.

If you only appeal to fringes you win nothing.

 

[Milkman]

Are you calling me a 'Blairite' the new insult in Jeremy's mob?

Friend. The middle ground is where every election is won.

If you only appeal to fringes you win nothing.

Did I call you a Blairite? I was saying that we're not in a two-party system anymore and winning the centre-ground is not the necessity it used to be.

Also, only appealing to fringes? Are you suggesting the working class isn't worth appealing to?