Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

[neil999]

How would he prove that then? Like Ed Milliband did? He hasn't had the opportunity to prove anything and won't until he gets his chance at a general election.

Off the top if me head...Campaigning effectively and having the party united

 

[scratchnsurf]

Off the top if me head...Campaigning effectively and having the party united

Doesn't prove anything though. Any leader of the Labour Party will ultimately be judged on performance at a General Election.

 

[flibbyflob]

I think if that were to happen the party would just split.

If that happens the Tories will win for evermore, god help us.

 

[Blue 1]

This has got nothing to do with the referendum. It was planned weeks ago, or even longer.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...t-jeremy-corbyn-by-using-veteran-labour-mp-m/

 

[Mrk]

This has got nothing to do with the referendum. It was planned weeks ago, or even longer.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...t-jeremy-corbyn-by-using-veteran-labour-mp-m/

Saying it has 'nothing' to do with the referendum is naive to say the least - they were always going to challenge him at some point, but they've now got a legitimate reason to challenge him after his apathetic performance during the referendum.

 

[Blue 1]

Saying it has 'nothing' to do with the referendum is naive to say the least - they were always going to challenge him at some point, but they've now got a legitimate reason to challenge him after his apathetic performance during the referendum.

It's a flimsy one. Labour voters voted 60% to remain. Some of them should be looking at how their own constituents voted.

I don't know about anyone else, but Corbyn's "in, but with reservations" position articulated mine and plenty of people's I know. What was he meant to do? Back Brexit? Adopt a stronger Remain position and further alienate those he's accused of not winning back? Make unkeepable promises about immigration?

That said, I'm not sure how he can carry on with such a divided party, but the weasels that organised this putsch will find themselves even more unpopular with the public I think.

The whole thing is a total mess right across the board. Maybe we're seeing the end of UK politics as we know it, which could be good or bad.

 

[sd_1992]

If that happens the Tories will win for evermore, god help us.

That will happen as soon as Scotland leaves

 

[Mrk]

It's a flimsy one. Labour voters voted 60% to remain. Some of them should be looking at how their own constituents voted.

I don't know about anyone else, but Corbyn's "in, but with reservations" position articulated mine and plenty of people's I know. What was he meant to do? Back Brexit? Adopt a stronger Remain position and further alienate those he's accused of not winning back? Make unkeepable promises about immigration?

That said, I'm not sure how he can carry on with such a divided party, but the weasels that organised this putsch will find themselves even more unpopular with the public I think.

The whole thing is a total mess right across the board. Maybe we're seeing the end of UK politics as we know it, which could be good or bad.

I think a lot of the anger is about how he went about it - it's no secret that Corbyn isn't a big fan of the EU, but, for example, he spent almost the entirety of one 'pro-EU' speech pointing out its failures before rabbiting on about TTIP - that's hardly what Labour voters wanted to hear, is it? I read earlier how the pro-EU campaign within the Labour party was repeatedly denied interviews/quotes and resources from Corbyn. He could have at least tried to make an effort.

Labour have 3 huge problems they need to figure out:

1) Their core-vote is largely made up of small-c conservatives in many respects, especially in working class towns in the North.
2) Their membership is hugely unrepresentative of their core-vote, which lead to Corbyn being elected in the first place.
3) The PLP is completely out of touch with both the core-vote and the membership - neither being in touch with the small-c conservatives who vote for them or the moderate/hard left who make up the party membership.

Is Corybn the person who can solve these problems and unite the party? No. I don't think any sane person could seriously suggest he is.

 

[bizzaro]

This has got nothing to do with the referendum. It was planned weeks ago, or even longer.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...t-jeremy-corbyn-by-using-veteran-labour-mp-m/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36633238

It seems that those involved got information that Corbyn's backroom staff were secretly going along with his plan to not properly campaign for Remain.

Even to go as so far as to try and hide the fact in speeches.


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Corbyn office 'sabotaged' EU Remain campaign - sources

And today, some of the most senior figures in the Labour Party are trying to push their leader out too. There have been concerns about Jeremy Corbyn's performance for months and months. But it was his role, or lack of role, in the campaign to keep the UK in the EU, and his sacking of Hilary Benn in the middle of the night, that has given members of the shadow cabinet the final reasons to quit. Several have already gone; as many as half will be gone by the end of the day, I understand.

And documents passed to the BBC suggest Jeremy Corbyn's office sought to delay and water down the Labour Remain campaign. Sources suggest that they are evidence of "deliberate sabotage".

One email from the leader's office suggests that Mr Corbyn's director of strategy and communications, Seumas Milne, was behind Mr Corbyn's reluctance to take a prominent role in Labour's campaign to keep the UK in the EU. One email, discussing one of the leader's speeches, said it was because of the "hand of Seumas. If he can't kill it, he will water it down so much to hope nobody notices it".

A series of messages dating back to December seen by the BBC shows correspondence between the party leader's office, the Labour Remain campaign and Labour HQ, discussing the European campaign. It shows how a sentence talking about immigration was removed on one occasion and how Mr Milne refused to sign off a letter signed by 200 MPs after it had already been approved.

The documents show concern in Labour HQ and the Labour Remain campaign about Mr Corbyn's commitment to the campaign - one email says: "What is going on here?" Another email from Labour Remain sources to the leader's office complains "there is no EU content here - we agreed to have Europe content in it". Sources say they show the leader's office was reluctant to give full support to the EU campaign and how difficult it was to get Mr Corbyn to take a prominent role.

Mr Corbyn has insisted publicly that he campaigned hard to keep the country in the EU and that he made a number of speeches around the country, and attended many campaigning events. But many shadow cabinet ministers believe his performance in the campaign has shown that he is simply not capable of leading the party. One senior figure told me: "People have just had enough and are embarrassed to be part of it." Jeremy Corbyn's team are adamant that he will stand again for the leadership, and they believe the party's members would back him again.

 

[neil999]

That's how you get working class vote back,an ex bloomin soldier

 

[Tubey]

That letter from Bryant is brutal.

 

[Tubey]

That's how you get working class vote back,an ex bloomin soldier

I like Jarvis, but he's not ready to lead.

Too many in Labour are in that category sadly.

 

[neil999]

I like Jarvis, but he's not ready to lead.

Too many in Labour are in that category sadly.

Have to go with risk now I feel..

 

[SNova]

This is brilliant. I'm starting to enjoy comrade Corbyn as labour leader.

 

[dandydan]

That's how you get working class vote back,an ex bloomin soldier

I can't see him going down to well with all Labour voters.