Hi-Fi systems

[Rita_Poon]

Well that maybe true but it presupposes that you want a divorce in the first place Rita.

Nothing like testing the water?

 

[Street end man]

This sounds like the nerdiest pick up line ever.

I made it up

 

[jazzy]

Looked back at some of the posts towards the end of the year on this thread. I have a 100k+ system now and quite honestly it sounds like a dream to me. Yes, I have mains cables that cost 2.5k each, speaker cable worth 5k and a network switch worth 3.5k, but each time I made an upgrade I thought surely, this wont improve things, but each and every time I heard improvements.

£5k speaker cable and £3.5k network switches are audiophoolery. I would be surprised if your brain isn't playing tricks on you.

If you can afford it and you're enjoying it though then who am I to judge?

I don't need to to know that the components you mentioned will make absolutely no difference to it.

Science.

I've no doubt it sounds wonderful, but not because of those bits.

Independent opinion.

I have a pretty expensive system ( same make as @Kev The Rat but nowhere near as good).

I'm reasonably well off but in all honesty I couldn't justify spending that sort of money on a system. However it's Kev's money and his choice.

What I would say in answer to your point @Blue 1 is that you are wrong..

I have heard many very expensive systems ( Far more expensive than Kev's ) and whilst I have no desire to spend that sort of money the improvement in SQ is undeniable.

Similarly better quality cabling , even spending in excess of £100k on the electronics can improve the SQ.

I have been to many a demo where cables have been swapped around on an AB demo and the difference is audible ( although often a very subtle improvement sometimes).

So I agree with Kev that he can spend what to many may seem an incredible amount on cables and hear an improvement in his system.

Each to their own amigos

 

[Blue 1]

Independent opinion.

I have a pretty expensive system ( same make as @Kev The Rat but nowhere near as good).

I'm reasonably well off but in all honesty I couldn't justify spending that sort of money on a system. However it's Kev's money and his choice.

What I would say in answer to your point @Blue 1 is that you are wrong..

I have heard many very expensive systems ( Far more expensive than Kev's ) and whilst I have no desire to spend that sort of money the improvement in SQ is undeniable.

Similarly better quality cabling , even spending in excess of £100k on the electronics can improve the SQ.

I have been to many a demo where cables have been swapped around on an AB demo and the difference is audible ( although often a very subtle improvement sometimes).

So I agree with Kev that he can spend what to many may seem an incredible amount on cables and hear an improvement in his system.

Each to their own amigos

It's denial of physics, but I agree, each to their own.

There isn't noise from the router coming through the ethernet cable.

 

[Blue 1]

@jazzy @Kev The Rat apologies, I am mistaken.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Independent opinion.

I have a pretty expensive system ( same make as @Kev The Rat but nowhere near as good).

I'm reasonably well off but in all honesty I couldn't justify spending that sort of money on a system. However it's Kev's money and his choice.

What I would say in answer to your point @Blue 1 is that you are wrong..

I have heard many very expensive systems ( Far more expensive than Kev's ) and whilst I have no desire to spend that sort of money the improvement in SQ is undeniable.

Similarly better quality cabling , even spending in excess of £100k on the electronics can improve the SQ.

I have been to many a demo where cables have been swapped around on an AB demo and the difference is audible ( although often a very subtle improvement sometimes).

So I agree with Kev that he can spend what to many may seem an incredible amount on cables and hear an improvement in his system.

Each to their own amigos

It doesnt matter.

Some people here havent compared a 5k system to 100k system and yet feel they have the right to compare the two regardless.

 

[neil999]

It doesnt matter.

Some people here havent compared a 5k system to 100k system and yet feel they have the right to compare the two regardless.

Out of interest, how much have you spent on room treatment? Have heard that makes biggest difference(after amp , speakers, source)

 

[chrismpw]

Appreciate the answer given I was kind of rude yesterday, but that does seem entirely preposterous. The only thing travelling over the ethernet is packets of data.

You need to consider that all of that data travels along as square waves of voltage. Given different kinds of kit's capabilities of producing the square edges of a wave as an actual square wave, and wires transmitting them as an ANALOGUE pulse of electricity then it is possible for the wave to be misinterpreted, if there's jitter and time issues.

Or something.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Or something.

 

[chrismpw]

Old school Olive Naim once more mate.
72/Hicap (Avondale mods)/ Nap250.
Speakers were Isobariks but now SBL's.

I have a 250 dr and love it (actually I have a pair of them for when I made some active crossovers ... can't decide whether to move the spare on, or go back to active crossovers, or persist with my single driver full range crossoverless speakers).

The avondale thing interests and amuses me.
1. Are the mods a worthwhile thing, or just good marketing? Genuine question as I don't know anyone who's dabbled.

2. The amusement comes from a marketing angle that people seem to lap up.... 1. Buy an expensive naim amp, 2. Upgrade / swap the circuit board. 3. Later down the line swap the power supply.

Effectively you're left with an avondale amp and psu, which I'm sure sounds fine, in a very expensive naim case. Why don't people just skip the naim bit, buy the avondale board and psu and stick it in a RS case that cost £100 rather than a scooped out naim case thats cost £5000?!

 

[Rita_Poon]

Get a degree in electronics/electrical engineering.

Build one, HNC/HND/degree + more.

Who can keep up.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Out of interest, how much have you spent on room treatment? Have heard that makes biggest difference(after amp , speakers, source)

Some acoustic panels on the walls, nothing too fancy

What DID make a huge difference was running a dedicated mains connection to my audio room.

 

[chrismpw]

In a sudden change of policy, brought on by a you tube video about the history of Quad and a search, my hifi is now running speakers that I haven't designed and made myself. I made my first set in 1986, having raided the Uni's library for relevant books. I've made several pairs since, tuned to my own preference. I was chuffed when a dealer and separately an audio engineer valued the pair I made last December at being worth upwards of £10k.

Anyhoos - last weekend, visiting a pal near Hemel I spotted that close by was a recently rebuilt pair of late 80s Quad Electrostatic speakers - ELS63 ... legendary! A speaker I always was interested in but had never heard, or could never afford. They sold for around £2000 on release in 1981. They looked a bargain ... I've spent morw on drivers than these now fetch. I went to hear them out.

They're now in my lounge .... never heard anything like them! Detailed, immediate, smooth, dynamic, neutral - and the imageary beats even my point source open baffles. The only down side is that they are inefficient compared with my own, so my amp has to work harder. I've never heard a speaker able to reproduce a piano properly until today- and I have often listened to speakers costing more thsn £30k.

Just stunned.

 

[Rita_Poon]

In a sudden change of policy, brought on by a you tube video about the history of Quad and a search, my hifi is now running speakers that I haven't designed and made myself. I made my first set in 1986, having raided the Uni's library for relevant books. I've made several pairs since, tuned to my own preference. I was chuffed when a dealer and separately an audio engineer valued the pair I made last December at being worth upwards of £10k.

Anyhoos - last weekend, visiting a pal near Hemel I spotted that close by was a recently rebuilt pair of late 80s Quad Electrostatic speakers - ELS63 ... legendary! A speaker I always was interested in but had never heard, or could never afford. They sold for around £2000 on release in 1981. They looked a bargain ... I've spent morw on drivers than these now fetch. I went to hear them out.

They're now in my lounge .... never heard anything like them! Detailed, immediate, smooth, dynamic, neutral - and the imageary beats even my point source open baffles. The only down side is that they are inefficient compared with my own, so my amp has to work harder. I've never heard a speaker able to reproduce a piano properly until today- and I have often listened to speakers costing more thsn £30k.

Just stunned.

ESL63*

'kin magical goose chase that was!

 

[Rita_Poon]

@chrismpw

These monsters?

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