Has it all gone a bit wrong?

[sd_1992]

I find it quite unreal that people on here want Martinez to fail and assume already he will faill..how about giving him a chance...Moyes had 11 fkin years and we won zip and died of zzzz boredom ..I so hope Marinez proves the happy clappers wrong so much..and Moyes gets fked off at the end of the season...COYB

Noone wants Martinez to fail, as fans we all want him to succeed, but the idea that we cannot analyse our managers previous acheivements is akin to the hero worship the RS pour on their managers and is revolting.

Quite possibly the most ill thought illogical post I've ever seen, certainly the most desperate I've seen to run down the achievement of Everton's new manager.

I'm sorta extrapolating the reason Everton players looked like they weren't arsed against Wigan was they wanted shut of Moyes - have I got this right lad?

I must have missed the part where a load of Everton players had high profile fallings out with Moyes?
ps can you try and respond to the other parts of my post before trying to take the high group with some contrived link to a situation that is completely different.

 

[lmurkder]

didn't we lose 6-0 odd at home first game of the season due to lescott etc.

nothing like that has happened and to be fair the players have only played what 4 games yet preseason. its only now theyre starting to get fit really. takes 4 weeks of training to get properly fit start of season. ask any pro.

any one that misses preseason usually isn't properly fit till near october maybe even christmas

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

See this is the problem you can't concede the point about Whelan shutting off the money, reducing the wages and selling their best as in any way shape or form an influence comparing the previous regimes.

Similarly Moyes for some diversionary reason gets pulled in .... please tell me in what 3 or 4 year period he endured reducing our wage bill by 24%?

If the RS were as ****e as you say how come they were part of the original sky4 and had won trophies (multiple) in the years preceding and as for Utd don't insult anyone's intelligence with their financial power they should be cleaning up like that every year.

Have another go, I've got all night.

Just a tip - don't try BS or diversionary crap it just racks me off.

Us getting into the top 4, with the squad we had at the time is a far greater achievement than Wigan winning 6 games last season. It's not even close.

For the record, I'm not anti-Martinez by any means - i'm not 100% convinced yet, but like him as a person and desperately hope he succeeds. But if you've honestly described wigan winning the fa cup as the greatest accomplishment since the inception of the premier league, you're out of your tree.

 

[nigelcoyb]

Noone wants Martinez to fail, as fans we all want him to succeed, but the idea that we cannot analyse our managers previous acheivements is akin to the hero worship the RS pour on their managers and is revolting.



I must have missed the part where a load of Everton players had high profile fallings out with Moyes?
ps can you try and respond to the other parts of my post before trying to take the high group with some contrived link to a situation that is completely different.

So what are you saying? ... City players had a beef with Mancini in the semis and earlier rounds but decided to win those and throw the final.

Do you think they organised this in a secret location like?

You're a funny guy..... can you juggle, card tricks etc?

 

[lmurkder]

no one is hero worshiping martinez previous achievements.

they saw what he did at swansea (now firmly premierleague definitely not before martinez) and thought we'll see how this goes it could be a good combo with everton and our history

the issue is has martinez realised hes at a much bigger club than wigan. the players he can sign are potentially much higher draw

the other thing is we cant be conceding soft goals.


passing football. adaptable yes. but lets not be soft arse too. (like wigan were)

martinez 2.0 is what we want

 

[nigelcoyb]

Us getting into the top 4, with the squad we had at the time is a far greater achievement than Wigan winning 6 games last season. It's not even close.

For the record, I'm not anti-Martinez by any means - i'm not 100% convinced yet, but like him as a person and desperately hope he succeeds. But if you've honestly described wigan winning the fa cup as the greatest accomplishment since the inception of the premier league, you're out of your tree.

Well it's an opinion, and I can't fault you for that - other than the gratuitous "out your tree" biz.

But come the day we're at Wembley and there's 5 mins to go and 2 nil up strolling it and the dawning realisation that at last, at long last our great Everton FC are about to pick up silverware you'll realise you're talking out your ring. (just to balance your "tree" bollox)

 

[sd_1992]

So what are you saying? ... City players had a beef with Mancini in the semis and earlier rounds but decided to win those and throw the final.

Do you think they organised this in a secret location like?

You're a funny guy..... can you juggle, card tricks etc?

Tell me about that BS and diversionary crap that racks you off?
The final was the tipping point for Mancini and everyone knew it, there was nothing about him loosing his job if they lost the Chelsea game, it was the Wigan game against a lower standard of club that was a must win for him and lets face it, the city players were not about to play their best to save his job, one team had their heart in that match and the other didn't and no matter the teams the team that is interested will usually win.

 

[davek]

Us getting into the top 4, with the squad we had at the time is a far greater achievement than Wigan winning 6 games last season. It's not even close.

For the record, I'm not anti-Martinez by any means - i'm not 100% convinced yet, but like him as a person and desperately hope he succeeds. But if you've honestly described wigan winning the fa cup as the greatest accomplishment since the inception of the premier league, you're out of your tree.

Winning a trophy is bigger than getting a CL qualifier place. Absolutely no question.

 

[lmurkder]

Winning a trophy is bigger than getting a CL qualifier place. Absolutely no question.

not long term for everton. short term would give us a boost.

what we want is to be financially competing every year which is via CL in our current circumstance

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Well it's an opinion, and I can't fault you for that - other than the gratuitous "out your tree" biz.

But come the day we're at Wembley and there's 5 mins to go and 2 nil up strolling it and the dawning realisation that at last, at long last our great Everton FC are about to pick up silverware you'll realise you're talking out your ring. (just to balance your "tree" bollox)

I'm not talking about which i'd prefer, I'm talking about which is a bigger accomplishment (which is after all what you termed the Wigan win to be). See below.

Winning a trophy is bigger than getting a CL qualifier place. Absolutely no question.

No, it isn't. You might PREFER to win a trophy over a CL qualification place. I might even agree with you, but in terms of size and difficulty of accomplishment, finishing top 4 with THAT squad over a 38 game season, considering we were THE favourites for relegation with some bookies at the start of the season, is a far bigger accomplishment than winning 6 cup games, only two of which were against Premier League opposition.

 

[davek]

Tell me about that BS and diversionary crap that racks you off?
The final was the tipping point for Mancini and everyone knew it, there was nothing about him loosing his job if they lost the Chelsea game, it was the Wigan game against a lower standard of club that was a must win for him and lets face it, the city players were not about to play their best to save his job, one team had their heart in that match and the other didn't and no matter the teams the team that is interested will usually win.

Oh dear. That's just bizarre. You're using psychology about player motivation to slag off a manager with a two bob team for winning the cup. Read it all back to yourself, I'm sure you'll agree.

 

[davek]

No, it isn't. You might PREFER to win a trophy over a CL qualification place. I might even agree with you, but in terms of size and difficulty of accomplishment, finishing top 4 with THAT squad over a 38 game season, considering we were THE favourites for relegation with some bookies at the start of the season, is a far bigger accomplishment than winning 6 cup games, only two of which were against Premier League opposition.

We got 4th place that year because Liverpool were in the doldrums in the league with a manager more interested in the CL. We practically crawled over the line to get 4th too. It was a good effort considering, but you really downgrade illicitly what it takes to win a trophy like the FA Cup. It takes a bit of boldness for a start, something Moyes never had and never will have.

 

[nigelcoyb]

Tell me about that BS and diversionary crap that racks you off?
The final was the tipping point for Mancini and everyone knew it, there was nothing about him loosing his job if they lost the Chelsea game, it was the Wigan game against a lower standard of club that was a must win for him and lets face it, the city players were not about to play their best to save his job, one team had their heart in that match and the other didn't and no matter the teams the team that is interested will usually win.

Why? I wasn't talking to you. (not a multi of the fellow I was addressing are you??.... naughty!)

What you're doing now is blowing bubbles theorising wildly about stuff you really don't know .... UNLESS YOU WERE HIDING IN THE SECRET LOCATION... you should call yourself Kato.

I'll be Insp. Clouseau and you can jump out the wardrobe and attack me (or maybe juggle).

Pack it in mate you're just digging deeper and deeper as tho talking gospel .... and lets be honest you're really not!

 

[sd_1992]

Oh dear. That's just bizarre. You're using psychology about player motivation to slag off a manager with a two bob team for winning the cup. Read it all back to yourself, I'm sure you'll agree.

So whether or not a team is motivated is irrelevent? You honestly think that if City had been at their best Wigan wouldn't have been thrashed?

 

[sd_1992]

Why? I wasn't talking to you. (not a multi of the fellow I was addressing are you??.... naughty!)

What you're doing now is blowing bubbles theorising wildly about stuff you really don't know .... UNLESS YOU WERE HIDING IN THE SECRET LOCATION... you should call yourself Kato.

I'll be Insp. Clouseau and you can jump out the wardrobe and attack me (or maybe juggle).

Pack it in mate you're just digging deeper and deeper as tho talking gospel .... and lets be honest you're really not!

So only the BS and diverting of the guy you were replying to annoys you, so everyone else can? You reply to less and less of my posts each time you reply.