2019/20 Gylfi Sigurdsson

[GrandOldTeam]

He gets the right amount of stick because he's an utter passenger even when he does manage to pop up with a goal.

That's nothing to do with expecting him to be a playmaker but rather the fact he doesn't contribute to the team besides the odd long shot and corner.

More replies to this thread than the rest of the midfield combined in Sidibe, Walcott and Schneiderlin since the derby.

Disproportionate.

As for not contributing to the team, is there many who have contributed more since the start of last season than public enemy number one? He's covered more ground than anyone else, so he's not lazy and his goals/assists is better than most in the side.

Don't get me wrong, he's been grim this season - really bad, as have plenty of others.

 

[BlueToff]

Sorry Toff but all I read there was another excuse for why he's crap.

It's always:

• He's playing out of position
• The formation or tactics need to change to get the best out of him
• He needs support behind him
• He doesn't have a target man to aim for
• The rest of the team are crap and that's making him crap

He's just crap, badly crap. Simple as.

I'm saying he has been crap and totally accept that.

It's proved that he's a player who needs players around him to feed him. Which as much as I've backed him, I have always said that.

Now he's playing deep in a two with nothing next to him and every single one of his weaknesses is getting exposed again and again.

He's a player you can drop into a team that is functioning and he does add that bit of quality. I can't see how people can deny that. His goals and passes prove that (heck, look at his pass for Walcott the other day and the one for Coleman v City - both should have resulted in goals).

But he doesn't do it enough and now he's playing in a role where he's even more unlikely to get in a position to do it.

He's not got the legs. Last season he had Gana doing all of the work behind him so could focus on pressing the CBs (usually slower and not as good on the ball) so it wasn't as much of an issue.

 

[BlueToff]

More replies to this thread than the rest of the midfield combined in Sidibe, Walcott and Schneiderlin since the derby.

Disproportionate.

As for not contributing to the team, is there many who have contributed more since the start of last season than public enemy number one? He's covered more ground than anyone else, so he's not lazy and his goals/assists is better than most in the side.

Don't get me wrong, he's been grim this season - really bad, as have plenty of others.

yeh, this, too.

The Sidibe love-in has baffled me. Bloke has been atrocious in the last few games. He was far worse than Gylfi the other day and that's saying something.

Same now with Delph. At least before the Instagram fiasco, he's been escaping criticism purely it seems because he's a new signing. He came on the other day and somehow - God knows how - slowed our play down more than Sigurdsson.

Anyway, he's been crap and I won't be sorry to see him ditched. But I still stand by that in a functioning team he very much has quality that none of our other players do. But atm we're not in a position to be able to compensate for what he lacks. And that's down to a mix of torrid recruitment and also bad luck (though the bad luck would have been mitigated by better recruitment, obviously).

 

[MikeH72]

More replies to this thread than the rest of the midfield combined in Sidibe, Walcott and Schneiderlin since the derby.

Disproportionate.

As for not contributing to the team, is there many who have contributed more since the start of last season than public enemy number one? He's covered more ground than anyone else, so he's not lazy and his goals/assists is better than most in the side.

Don't get me wrong, he's been grim this season - really bad, as have plenty of others.

Covering ground means absolutely nothing when you’re touching the ball 18 times a game. Jogging around space into areas where you can’t receive a pass is not productive.

 

[Goat]

More replies to this thread than the rest of the midfield combined in Sidibe, Walcott and Schneiderlin since the derby.

Disproportionate.

As for not contributing to the team, is there many who have contributed more since the start of last season than public enemy number one? He's covered more ground than anyone else, so he's not lazy and his goals/assists is better than most in the side.

Don't get me wrong, he's been grim this season - really bad, as have plenty of others.

They wont have it mate.

Hes been rubbish since we signed him and they wont have it any other way.

This is his 3rd season, he was pretty bad in his first, good in his second and next level horrific this season, but I guess thats what you get for 45m.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

More replies to this thread than the rest of the midfield combined in Sidibe, Walcott and Schneiderlin since the derby.

Disproportionate.

As for not contributing to the team, is there many who have contributed more since the start of last season than public enemy number one? He's covered more ground than anyone else, so he's not lazy and his goals/assists is better than most in the side.

Don't get me wrong, he's been grim this season - really bad, as have plenty of others.

he is our numero 10, most vital position for the team, so he has to be fit and efficient for our attacking game to click

 

[carolinablue232]

More replies to this thread than the rest of the midfield combined in Sidibe, Walcott and Schneiderlin since the derby.

Disproportionate.

As for not contributing to the team, is there many who have contributed more since the start of last season than public enemy number one? He's covered more ground than anyone else, so he's not lazy and his goals/assists is better than most in the side.

Don't get me wrong, he's been grim this season - really bad, as have plenty of others.

It’s the penalty he pays due to his price tag which was in no way his fault. People latch onto it though.

 

[Efcjake]

More replies to this thread than the rest of the midfield combined in Sidibe, Walcott and Schneiderlin since the derby.

Disproportionate.

As for not contributing to the team, is there many who have contributed more since the start of last season than public enemy number one? He's covered more ground than anyone else, so he's not lazy and his goals/assists is better than most in the side.

Don't get me wrong, he's been grim this season - really bad, as have plenty of others.

Ok, I'll give you that. There has probably been a lot more complaints about him than the others these past few days.

I'd argue that it isn't solely about his price or the fact he isn't a playmaker. A lot of it is because we have seen those moments of quality from him, albeit inconsistently. Since we know he has some capability, unlike Walcott and Schneiderlin (Sidibe is only on loan so a lot of people probably aren't as bothered simply because he may not be here next season), it makes the performances he's turned in seem and feel far worse.

Everyone here knows Walcott and Schneiderlin are crap, it's old news and we spent the last two seasons talking about that. Now that Sigurdsson has dropped to their level people are far more interested in discussing that then they are those other two because in some peoples' eyes he's only been crap this season. Others have failed to ever be convinced by him and are being proven right about how crap he actually is.

 

[MikeH72]

Ok, I'll give you that. There has probably been a lot more complaints about him than the others these past few days.

I'd argue that it isn't solely about his price or the fact he isn't a playmaker. A lot of it is because we have seen those moments of quality from him, albeit inconsistently. Since we know he has some capability, unlike Walcott and Schneiderlin (Sidibe is only on loan so a lot of people probably aren't as bothered simply because he may not be here next season), it makes the performances he's turned in seem and feel far worse.

Everyone here knows Walcott and Schneiderlin are crap, it's old news and we spent the last two seasons talking about that. Now that Sigurdsson has dropped to their level people are far more interested in discussing that then they are those other two because in some peoples' eyes he's only been crap this season. thers have failed to ever be convinced by him and are being proven right about how crap he actually is.

He’s hidden behind stats his entire career, but at the end of the day there’s a very good reason he’s only ever played for rubbish teams.

 

[Efcjake]

yeh, this, too.

The Sidibe love-in has baffled me. Bloke has been atrocious in the last few games. He was far worse than Gylfi the other day and that's saying something.

Same now with Delph. At least before the Instagram fiasco, he's been escaping criticism purely it seems because he's a new signing. He came on the other day and somehow - God knows how - slowed our play down more than Sigurdsson.

Anyway, he's been crap and I won't be sorry to see him ditched. But I still stand by that in a functioning team he very much has quality that none of our other players do. But atm we're not in a position to be able to compensate for what he lacks. And that's down to a mix of torrid recruitment and also bad luck (though the bad luck would have been mitigated by better recruitment, obviously).

I'll nail my colours to the mast and state I'm not sold on either Delph or Sidibe.

As I said above, Sidibe might not even be here (I'm doubting he will) next season. He has a quality delivery but everything else is suspect.

Delph I was originally alright with as cover but he's shown absolutely nothing for us when he manages to be fit once every month.

With that said, those two are only 5 months into their Everton careers and Gylfi has had a few purple patches but has mostly been a complete disappointment for the entire two and a half seasons he's been here.

Even last year when he was our second top scorer there were plenty of people questioning his quality because everybody had seen him for what he is. A very limited player who forces the team to play a certain way to get anything out of him and then he doesn't do enough when we do play to his strengths to make it worth it.

 

[Connor]

Would anyone, genuinely, be upset if he left anytime soon?

Large majority would, probably, celebrate his exit. Time to stop excusing him because he scored a few good goals.

 

[Kure]

He has a good shot on him but other than that, he's pretty useless. Sell him.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I am so frustrated and angry with him this year because despite being average, he was offering a real goal threat last year.

This season his general play has sank to a whole new low and the goal threat has vanished. Hes not even involved in matches.

I think he can be so much better and that is why I've totally had enough of him and want him binned.

 

[Remember-the-name]

I am so frustrated and angry with him this year because despite being average, he was offering a real goal threat last year.

This season his general play has sank to a whole new low and the goal threat has vanished. Hes not even involved in matches.

I think he can be so much better and that is why I've totally had enough of him and want him binned.

It started with that sitter he missed at Palace on the opening day. Set him on the way to a poor season.

 

[Efcjake]

I'm saying he has been crap and totally accept that.

It's proved that he's a player who needs players around him to feed him. Which as much as I've backed him, I have always said that.

And it's another excuse. Even when we played to his strengths he lifted us up to the mighty reaches of 8th place. He's proven it isn't a worthwhile strategy to build the team to suit him because he doesn't produce enough on his own to justify it.

Now he's playing deep in a two with nothing next to him and every single one of his weaknesses is getting exposed again and again.

Which is comical because people were claiming that moving him back there was going to be the magic trick that makes him look a player.

Once again, just like all of the other excuses people have made before, that excuse has been proven to be nonsense.

He's a player you can drop into a team that is functioning and he does add that bit of quality. I can't see how people can deny that. His goals and passes prove that (heck, look at his pass for Walcott the other day and the one for Coleman v City - both should have resulted in goals).

Because as you yourself have said many times, you can't just simply drop him in a team and have him improve it. Everything has to be changed to suit him or he's a passenger.

If it was as simple as just dropping him in the 11 then he'd be doing the business now and you wouldn't be in here claiming we need to sign a new Gana to get anything worthwhile out of him.

But he doesn't do it enough and now he's playing in a role where he's even more unlikely to get in a position to do it.

He's not got the legs. Last season he had Gana doing all of the work behind him so could focus on pressing the CBs (usually slower and not as good on the ball) so it wasn't as much of an issue.

Last year he was still crap for large parts of games besides a goal.

Let's not make out like he was some world beater last year.

He was basically given a free role and played nearly as high as a second striker. If he was considered a striker then his goal scoring stats were not that impressive. If he's considered a midfielder then his return for setting up goals was miserable.