Well can you see why someone would consider the views problematic/racist, even if you yourself dont?
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Well can you see why someone would consider the views problematic/racist, even if you yourself dont?
Institutionalised racism against our owners by member of the press and the media at large is quite blatant, Their money is frequently referred to as "dirty oil money" Only City and PSG are hit with this tag. No other clubs whose sponsors include oil companies are called in this manner. I've seen journalists use phrases like "the grinning beards at the Etihad" that is when not referring to our owners purely by their ethnicity. Imagine the outcries if the media referred to Spurs, Utd and Chelsea as the Jews.
This is the thing that I think Catcher is right about, when referring to the racism in a certain posters comments and, as you say, the media view and name calling.
I have never heard any club (other than West Ham because it is sometimes for comedic affect) being referred to as 'insert owners business type here'. I mean it would be pretty petty to start calling some 'the venture capitalist clubs', 'the building industry clubs', etc. You only hear that if it is oil and only really when it is oil from a certain area of the world.
@PaddyJames this fella has explained it far better than I could.
I just think having a go at City's sponsors for Human Rights Abuses, but then saying absolutely nothing when challenged about Standard Chartered and who they launder money for smacks of complete hypocrisy. If you want to call things out, then it really needs to be done consistently.
And yes assuming oil money is in some way "dirty" which is the insinuation is cultural racism for sure. You know it was never framed as such when the British controlled (stole) the resources from those countries, but the moment those countries take it back under their control the demeaning jibes about oil start.
That's exactly it mate. Look I think @PaddyJames has got a fair point in that this is not like explicit, hardened racism of hurling abuse at people in the streets or whatever, where you can feel the anger and hate. I would agree with him on that. It's not explicit and outward. However it is a form of institutional racism, that while not as explicit or perhaps as easy to codify if just as damaging.
It reminds me of the discussions around Police institutional racism. It doesn't mean every police officer is racist, or knowingly hates black people, but more there are biases, often subconscious built into how we think about things. In their case, they stop and search black people for drug possession at a way higher rate than white people, despite black people being less likely to use drugs.
Getting back to City and their owners, you are right that it only really seems certain types of owners who's wealth is viewed as inferior, less or in some stages criminogenic in some way. "The oil clubs" "dirty oil" "petro dollar clubs" etc are all throwaway remarks that hint at this. If you understand the history of oil in the region, that the British controlled (and exploited/stole) this resource for decades and have never really forgiven those countries for taking back their natural resource, you can begin to see this playing out. We live in quite an explicitly Islamaphobic society and it just feeds into it.
There is an assumption that nationalising your national resource is inferior, and that their natural resource is lesser than the UK's or America's. But this is never applied to Norway, a white western country who rely on oil. Nor are the practices of Nike examined in any way, and the use of sweatshop labour to produce the shirts that pay for vast sponsorship deals. There is just no scrutiny by comparison.
So when you see certain people, continuing to parrot the above, alongside wild conspiracies that have been debunked in court, it feels like someone is prejudicial, they have made them mind up before looking at the evidence. The other day the poster was trying to make out Pep Guardiola was an employee of Qatar not Manchester City. Just lazy stereotyping like that, which is complete idiocy at best.
PaddyJames
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Based on the reasons you've given, I'm sorry no I don't.
PaddyJames
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Where has the media described it as dirty oil money? Where have the media not called out standard chartered bear in mind thats only just come to light? You are bringing up racism as a point scoring exercise. City and PSG are ruining football by using the bottomless pit of "oil money" thats an absolute fact. Nothing about pointing that out is racist. You just want to have a pop at the RS. Usmanov got sent down for committing crimes, if he funds Bramley Moore I don't expect you'll be outside protesting about it?
Do and say what you want about the rs, city or whoever but using racism as a punchline to score points doesn't sit right with me one bit.
YoboCopter
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Peps a good manager of course he is but a do think he wouldnt be as effective as other managers without botmless cash
You are correct that they are ridiculously outspending everyone but I think the bit in bold highlights the issue some people have. Why is it not just 'money', if the money comes from a legitimate source then why highlight the source, if it was oil from a different region would it still be called 'oil money', I am not sure it would, it certainly might but in todays world the possibility is that it would be just called 'money' by the same people.
PaddyJames
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I just don't find the term "oil money" racist. Thats all mate. "the grinning beards at the etihad" is out of order, personally I've never seen that terms used and would be surprised if it even was given the uproar it should rightly have caused.
Are we comparing him against managers we know that have only had shoestring budgets, the likes of Warnock, Pulis, Moyes (apart from the small stint at Man Utd?
I think he might do quite well, in the relative sense. I see a good man manager, somebody who has been there coaching young players. You see players wanting to play for him and I don't see any difference if they cost £2m or £50m.
...found out?
Maybe - but not for very long.
Maybe - but not for very long.
I don't necessarily find it racist on its own but with context it could be used as a slur.
EverTheOptimist
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Thanks.
Laughable i was being being accused of being racist for saying petro dollar state about a oil producing country, Petro dollar state is business slang for oil producing states.
Even the Moderator didn't even intervene as the accusation was pathetic.
Duncan’s Pigeon Loft
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Liverpool and Man Utd - the baseball money clubs lad
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