Greek Financial Crisis

[Rambo]

What I don't understand is why those Greek Billionairs, Niarchos etc. don't put their hands in their pockets for the sake of the Greek people who actually made their families into billionair/millionaires , it's just small change for some of them.

 

[dublinbluenose]

What I don't understand is why those Greek Billionairs, Niarchos etc. don't put their hands in their pockets for the sake of the Greek people who actually made their families into billionair/millionaires , it's just small change for some of them.

They dont even pay income tax - they are all tax exiles

 

[Lids1978]

Not really, Governments don't go for Referendums if they aren't going to get them the result they need.
it's a forgone conclusion, the EU will already know this.

This basically. Ireland voted No to some EU nonsense a few years ago so they held it again to get a Yes vote. Ya couldn't make it up

 

[davek]

Not really, Governments don't go for Referendums if they aren't going to get them the result they need.
it's a forgone conclusion, the EU will already know this.

That would be the usual understanding, but not in this case. Syriza have pledged not to carry out reactionary austerity - they've been putting forward 'redistributive austerity' plans to the Europeans that places the burden on the rich(er) - and to seek debt reduction. If there's no more track to go down on that then they either had to take a decision themselves and be accused of not being the democratic organisation they set themselves up as or go to the people to affirm their stance against the ECB etc. Time simply ran out on Syriza negotiating with all the deadlines coming up from creditors (one with the IMF just passed last night, of course).

The referendum will be close.

 

[magicjuan]

The Dutch finance minister displaying his affection for democracy saying there could only be help if the government changes their political stance.

I.e. a change of government to one that is willing to agree to the IMF's terms and conditions. Someone like Golden Dawn....

 

[daylightrobber]

What I don't understand is why those Greek Billionairs, Niarchos etc. don't put their hands in their pockets for the sake of the Greek people who actually made their families into billionair/millionaires , it's just small change for some of them.

Haha. Are you serious? The result won't affect the billionaires. All their money is elsewhere.

 

[davek]

The Dutch finance minister displaying his affection for democracy saying there could only be help if the government changes their political stance.

I.e. a change of government to one that is willing to agree to the IMF's terms and conditions. Someone like Golden Dawn....

The anti-EU lot in this country must be sitting back lapping this up and piling up the evidence for our referendum. Those Euro muppets are making their case for them very nicely.

 

[Rambo]

Haha. Are you serious? The result won't affect the billionaires. All their money is elsewhere.

Well one of them owns the largest chain of petrol stations in Greece, a whole host of energy suppliers and several banks,
surely it would affect him ?

 

[davek]

Interesting breakdown in today's poll from Greece:

"No votes were strongest among the unemployed (62 percent), and more No votes than Yes were polled in all categories classified, comprising entrepreneurs, the self-employed, public and private sector pensioners and employees and housewives."

Leaves you with no confusion over who those right wing cry babies were last night: a dogs breakfast of the professional anti-democracy lot who've hated Greece since the fall of the Generals; the upper middle classes and their serf-like pawns who'd do well out of more 'deregulation'.

 

[Walken]

You reckon? I don't. Guarantee there's plenty of folk out there watching this whole saga play out whilst only thinking about how many euros they're gonna get to the pound for their hols.

i get paid im euros, i would rather take a wage hit then see people suffer, but then im not a grabbing selfish whopper happy to feed off other peoples misery

 

[Brendan Janus]

They will have to stop smashing plates now, every little helps in a crisis !!

 

[mezzrow]

The anti-EU lot in this country must be sitting back lapping this up and piling up the evidence for our referendum. Those Euro muppets are making their case for them very nicely.

Do you mean like this, Dave? - from an anonymous poster on another forum...

In the glorious Twenty-First Century
We were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter
To pay for collective Paul;
But we finally ran out of money,
The IMF would no longer prop
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said:

"It cannot go on, it will stop."

(Hat tip to Rudyard Kipling and Stein's Law)

 

[Tubey]

An embarrassing bottle-job from Tsipras incoming...

 

[davek]

An embarrassing bottle-job from Tsipras incoming...

Wrong. That's the spin being put on this by the BBC and rest of the media for the sheeple here to imbibe so we'll all believe there's nothing that can be done to stand up to the neo-liberal onslaught.

In reality what's been asked for is the sharper points of the last proposed deal being taken off the table: extending working age and taking many pensioners off government payment; scrapping any proposal to hit the Greeks with VAT hikes that'll damage their tourist industry. The Syriza government can rightly call that a climbdown by the ECB etc if that's agreed.

Also, dont rule out the Syriza side flirting with negotiations that get nowhere and making their creditors looking increasingly unreasonable in the run up to the referendum.

 

[davek]

Do you mean like this, Dave? - from an anonymous poster on another forum...

In the glorious Twenty-First Century
We were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter
To pay for collective Paul;
But we finally ran out of money,
The IMF would no longer prop
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said:

"It cannot go on, it will stop."

(Hat tip to Rudyard Kipling and Stein's Law)

I dont know what that means in relation whomever/whatever.