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davek said:
There's a difference between defending the last two season's under Martinez and his overall record here, which as has been stated today on GoS included a record first season and cup runs. For three seasons in charge that is not bad at all. And the last two seasons here also does not pipe anyone down from highlighting his pre and post Everton career.

In short: those continuing their attempts to ridicule Martinez and those who still hold him in respect dont really have a clue about football imo.
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Hahahaha. God I love you.
 

AaronTheBlue said:
he's an idiot, a nice man but an idiot.

He will do well at international level to a point, because that's literally all he's good for is cup competitions.

He can't manage a big team in the league, end of.
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He took £10m off the club for doing an atrocious job. Leaving us 7 places lower than where he picked us up.
 

davek said:
There's a difference between defending the last two season's under Martinez and his overall record here, which as has been stated today on GoS included a record first season and cup runs. For three seasons in charge that is not bad at all. And the last two seasons here also does not pipe anyone down from highlighting his pre and post Everton career.

In short: those continuing their attempts to ridicule Martinez and those who still hold him in respect dont really have a clue about football imo.
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But you slag off Moyes who took us from the bottom of the table and a shambolic team and gave us some self respect again and all that ever happens is he gets slaughtered by you. You can't chat wham about both to suit your blinkered opinion without ruining your entire argument completely which you do constantly.

Anyone can take small samples of good times of any manager (Mike Walker apart) from any time in the last 50 years and make that fit their argument. You just do it about a guy who had one good season and despite having the striker who is the current top scorer in the premier league couldn't get in the top half of the table for his final 2 seasons. He may have signed him but he had no clue how to get the best out of him.
 
davek said:
I take the opposite view because I see football as a spectacle and not a business. What is football all about? I'd say it's fulfilling the sometimes ridiculous dreams of the people who put their heart and should into it and who believe one day they will have their place in the sun. That club Wigan have had an inauspicious history and never in a million years did any of them believe their dreams would ever be fulfilled that they would step onto a global stage and win a trophy that is seen as the most prestigious in domestic cup competitions the world over. They did that and that can never be taken away.

Wigan would always some day be relegated to the lower leagues. They just cant sustain PL football. Many bigger clubs than them have gone through that trap door and it would have happened sooner rather than later. It's a pity for them, but there are clubs as big as Newcastle who haven't won a trophy for generations and they did so very recently. That's what football is all about: the romance and excitement of fulfilling ambitions. If I were them I'd far rather have that than no trophies ever and a couple more miserable years fighting relegation in the PL.
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How many Wigan fans do you know Dave? Because the ones I'm acquainted with take a very different view to yours. They'd happily give up the cup to still be in the Premier League. They aren't that fond of Martinez either and point quite rightly to manager's like Steve Bruce and even Paul Jewell that that not only kept them up but even gave them mid table and top half finishes. Your footballing snobbery is laughable, why is itmpossible for a club like Wigan to sustain enough forum to make them a permanent fixture in the league? It's just suits your agenda to think so. I also think your point about football being a spectacle is ludicrous, all this nonsense about needing to be 'entertained' at the match is laughable. I'm entertained when we win and nothing else. I'll always take the most boring 1-0 imaginable over an 'exciting' 4-3 defeat or 4-4 draw any day. If you choose entertainment over winning then you don't understand our clubs motto.
 
davek said:
I take the opposite view because I see football as a spectacle and not a business. What is football all about? I'd say it's fulfilling the sometimes ridiculous dreams of the people who put their heart and should into it and who believe one day they will have their place in the sun. That club Wigan have had an inauspicious history and never in a million years did any of them believe their dreams would ever be fulfilled that they would step onto a global stage and win a trophy that is seen as the most prestigious in domestic cup competitions the world over. They did that and that can never be taken away.

Wigan would always some day be relegated to the lower leagues. They just cant sustain PL football. Many bigger clubs than them have gone through that trap door and it would have happened sooner rather than later. It's a pity for them, but there are clubs as big as Newcastle who haven't won a trophy for generations and they did so very recently. That's what football is all about: the romance and excitement of fulfilling ambitions. If I were them I'd far rather have that than no trophies ever and a couple more miserable years fighting relegation in the PL.
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There's a great deal of laudable sentiment in what you eloquently express here.

The wish to achieve and see fulfilment of dreams is admirable, if a tad utopian, but I admire and don't disagree with the sentiment.

Wigan winning the cup was their Andy Warhol, '15 minutes of fame' moment and honestly, I doubt anyone would genuinely deny them that and the immense pleasure it gave their fan base, together with so many others who watched a David overcome a Goliath.

Where this relates to Everyon as I see it is... El Bob did well to win that cup, but at the expense of relegation. He inherited a decent Everton side and added Lukaku, and (up until the crushing defeat at the pit) had rekindled great hopes within many, many Evertonians.

Sadly, regrettably, lamentably, he was not right for a job of the magnitude of Everton and his shortcomings were cruelly exposed and he was unable to adjust anything remotely like sufficiently. His third campaign merely served to confirm that he was out of his depth and despite reaching two cup semi-finals, the club, fan-base, media and I suspect deep down even he himself knew he was done.

His departure was the best for all parties. He moved on to a job that he is better suited to in my opinion, and we moved on with a more pragmatic if somewhat tougher approach under Ronald Koeman.

I bear El Bob no real malice but, I sure that Everton will be better and have a far greater chance of trophy success under Koeman.
 
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GwladysBlue said:
I would imagine something along the lines of him picking his daughter up and using her as a human shield as a wave of bottles come flying at him from the stands.

OR

Him trying to applaud us whilst being roundly booed by the entire stadium.
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Don't think there would of been anyone there after Norwich stuffed us 6-0
 
AndyC said:
There's a great deal of laudable sentiment in what you eloquently express here.

The wish to achieve and see fulfilment of dreams is admirable, if a tad utopian, but I admire and don't disagree with the sentiment.

Wigan winning the cup was their Andy Warhol, '15 minutes of fame' moment and honestly, I doubt anyone would genuinely deny them that and the immense pleasure it gave their fan base, together with so many others who watched a David overcome a Goliath.

Where this relates to Everyon as I see it is... El Bob did well to win that cup, but at the expense of relegation. He inherited a decent Everton side and added Lukaku, and (up until the crushing defeat at the pit) had rekindled great hopes within many, many Evertonians.

Sadly, regrettably, lamentably, he was not right for a job of the magnitude of Everton and his shortcomings were cruelly exposed and he was unable to adjust anything remotely like sufficiently. His third campaign merely served to confirm that he was out of his depth and despite reaching two cup semi-finals, the club, fan-base, media and Insuspect deep down he himself knew he was done.

His departure was the best for all parties. He moved on to a job that he is better suited to in my opinion, and we moved on with a more pragmatic if somewhat tougher approach under Ronald Koeman.

I bear El Bob no real malice but, I sure that Everton will be better and have a far greater chance of trophy success under Koeman.
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I dont think anyone can say fairer than that.

It remains to be seen what we can achieve now. I suspect not that much more than a flirtation with a trophy and top four finish that we've seen under both Moyes and Martinez.
 
“First 30 minutes, I thought Everton were magnificent, dynamic, they took the opportunity, starting the game, they had doubts, Bournemouth changing the system and they were ruthless, clinical. But even then, at 3-2 Bournemouth looked like the team that would win the game.”

Is he messing? As soon as Bournemouth scored their second, Everton took command of the game against and just thrashed them.

Can't wait for him to ruin Belgium's golden generation.

He is destined to end up as some third division Spanish team's manager.
 

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