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[Tubey]

Nah not surprised that people are absolute maniacs. Imagine being that sad and bothered about someone you've never met on the internet disagreeing with you.

The thing is that society has legitimised these nutters.

For example, if a woman gets a letter for a smear saying 'women aged 16-64 need to book an appointment' (my other half just has), I could - easily - complain about the use of the word 'women' used in that context, start a social media campaign and get thousands of people complaining about inherent NHS transphobia. Because you don't need to have a uterus to be a woman of course - that's the narrative now. It should be 'all persons with a uterus aged 16-64' naturally.

Formerly, doing something like this would be the work of a lunatic, but now this is happening all the time.

 

[Tubey]

I don't think that's the reason they do it at all. They do it because attaching their name to worthy causes allows them to whitewash their more dubious practices and appear like they're on the "good" side. It's nothing to do with fear.

Additionally, I think it's naive to say business has no ideology beyond making money. Plenty of businesses fund political causes.

That's another reason yes.

Business funds politics to make money, that's the end goal - business exists for no reason other than to make money.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I don't think that's the reason they do it at all. They do it because attaching their name to worthy causes allows them to whitewash their more dubious practices and appear like they're on the "good" side. It's nothing to do with fear.

Additionally, I think it's naive to say business has no ideology beyond making money. Plenty of businesses fund political causes.

I think you're underestimating how much tokenism exists.

 

[Blue 1]

That's another reason yes.

Business funds politics to make money, that's the end goal - business exists for no reason other than to make money.

There are several well-documented instances of businesses funding, for instance, anti choice, and anti-gay lobby groups in the US. How does that make them money?

The business exists to make money, yes, but what they do with the money they make is not just "use it to make more money", and it's ideological.

 

[summerisle]

Is it under threat?
I hear those nasty Leftie snowflakes want it abolished to save them hearing the truth and are cancelling people like that nice Mr Mumford chap, whose only crime is playing the Banjo.
Then again
The Right have the Press and the Media sealed up and if you disagree with their narrative then you are "cancelled".

Who is coming after my free speech? and why?

Does "Free Speech" even exist?

Every effin' day.

 

[Tubey]

There are several well-documented instances of businesses funding, for instance, anti choice, and anti-gay lobby groups in the US. How does that make them money?

The business exists to make money, yes, but what they do with the money they make is not just "use it to make more money"

By funding causes of individual governors etc. they then get access to benefits in kind if/when they're in power. You used the word itself as to the reason - it's lobbying. The cause itself doesn't necessarily matter to the business, instead it's the net result financially of supporting or being against it.

 

[Blue 1]

I think you're underestimating how much tokenism exists.

I don't think so. I think what they do is entirely tokenistic.

Or maybe I'm missing your point.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Nah not surprised that people are absolute maniacs. Imagine being that sad and bothered about someone you've never met on the internet disagreeing with you.

Happened to me on another forum when banking crisis was news, coalition had formed Government and talk of cleaning up the finance sector and banks. it's was over a bank having two branches in Mexico in a known drug cartel district, and I suggested it was no coincidence they were there. Blimey you would have thought I had tried to steal his children. Lawyer threats, campaign to entice mods to ban which went on for a good 4 years.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I don't think so. I think what they do is entirely tokenistic.

Or maybe I'm missing your point.

I think maybe you misunderstand the term tokenism?

• the practice of making only a perfunctory or symbolic effort to do a particular thing, especially by recruiting a small number of people from under-represented groups in order to give the appearance of sexual or racial equality within a workforce.

Zaha recently described taking the knee as this/box ticking.

Wilfried Zaha is right - with no anthem to protest, taking a knee loses all meaning

Colin Kaepernick's gesture of defiance has been stripped of original US context and now falls flat

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Blue 1]

I think maybe you misunderstand the term tokenism?

• the practice of making only a perfunctory or symbolic effort to do a particular thing, especially by recruiting a small number of people from under-represented groups in order to give the appearance of sexual or racial equality within a workforce.

Zaha recently described taking the knee as this;

Wilfried Zaha is right - with no anthem to protest, taking a knee loses all meaning

Colin Kaepernick's gesture of defiance has been stripped of original US context and now falls flat

www.telegraph.co.uk

No, I don't. That's the definition I'm working with. What these companies do is entirely within the above definition. To an absolute T. "Wokewashing", I think I've seen it called.

I don't think they do it from fear.

 

[PaddyJames]

The thing is that society has legitimised these nutters.

For example, if a woman gets a letter for a smear saying 'women aged 16-64 need to book an appointment' (my other half just has), I could - easily - complain about the use of the word 'women' used in that context, start a social media campaign and get thousands of people complaining about inherent NHS transphobia. Because you don't need to have a uterus to be a woman of course - that's the narrative now. It should be 'all persons with a uterus aged 16-64' naturally.

Formerly, doing something like this would be the work of a lunatic, but now this is happening all the time.

This isn't a recent phenomenon at all mate.

This all started in Judea 33 A.D.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Get arrested for saying you're english these days

Get you deported and denied your citizenship all sorts these day being English.

 

[PaddyJames]

Happened to me on another forum when banking crisis was news, coalition had formed Government and talk of cleaning up the finance sector and banks. it's was over a bank having two branches in Mexico in a known drug cartel district, and I suggested it was no coincidence they were there. Blimey you would have thought I had tried to steal his children. Lawyer threats, campaign to entice more to ban which went on for a good 4 years.

Hahaha the world is off its head

 

[GrandOldTeam]

No, I don't. That's the definition I'm working with. What these companies do is entirely within the above definition. To an absolute T.

Perhaps I misread your post.

Its why you have big businesses 'virtue signalling' - pure irrational fear, desperate to be on the front foot to avoid the minor chance of a lynch mob coming at them. Business by definition has no ideology beyond making money.

It's ridiculous.

I don't think that's the reason they do it at all. They do it because attaching their name to worthy causes allows them to whitewash their more dubious practices and appear like they're on the "good" side. It's nothing to do with fear.

Additionally, I think it's naive to say business has no ideology beyond making money. Plenty of businesses fund political causes.

^ I agree in part, but for me these two are largely the same thing. It's PR.

That being the motive isn't as pure as they'd have you believe. Often it's done to get ahead of an issue and/or sell to a loud demographic.

That's when I meant by tokenism.

 

[tsubaki]

Happened to me on another forum when banking crisis was news, coalition had formed Government and talk of cleaning up the finance sector and banks. it's was over a bank having two branches in Mexico in a known drug cartel district, and I suggested it was no coincidence they were there. Blimey you would have thought I had tried to steal his children. Lawyer threats, campaign to entice mods to ban which went on for a good 4 years.

TBF poke a stick, from any position, into that and a swarm of angry bees usually follows.

I’ve mentioned it on here before but what happened to the cops who go the clearly guilty James Ibori banged up should have been a salutary warning to all of society.