2022/23 Frank Lampard

[Simon Buttle]

It is but Lampard was asking for a forward all summer too.

The board/Thelwell didn't deliver, other than Maupay.

Ultimately Lampard isn't blameless for that but we then have to say that the people above him, Thelwell included, are trusted to get the new manager players?

The absolute priority should be getting players in. I don't care who the manager is, this squad isn't good enough to get out of danger if signings aren't made.

I think we were just limited to who we could buy on a structured deal mate, we got linked with some half decent names last summer, lads like Moffi in France for example but nothing ever materialised sadly. Is it this summer when we are free of quite a bit more wages do you know then obviously the Kean money?

 

[Blue peter]

Looks like he's getting Saints as another make-or-break but we can't afford this game-to-game stuff we need points! Last night's effort will be painted as a heroic defeat by a board terrified and inert because they don't know what to do next. It's clear you either back the man and bring signings in or you sack him and do it now. Putting pressure on every game helps nobody and worsens our perilous situation. This I will remind you is our "kinder" run of games the fixtures after February look tough.

Not sure they are giving him the Saints game, I think they have probably made the decision whether he stays or goes but if they are replacing him they realise they can’t go a month without a replacement manager so are sounding managers out now (two are readily available that are based in the North West whether we would agree with those appointments or not) - it wouldn’t surprise me if they sack him then a replacement is confirmed within a day or two (if they aren’t doing this given the perilous situation, even though they have proven incompetent time and time again, then it would feel like professional sabotage and the biggest dereliction of duty)

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Nah. No prospective buyer will want to buy a second division club with huge debts. Because that's what we will be if there are no immediate purchases for whichever sucker is in the manager's chair.

The Saudi's bought Newcastle who were bottom 3 with Steve Bruce as manager mate. These cats dont care about the short term its all about a long term vision.

I've had me ear to the ground and from what I've heard on the grapevine there is some interest from Qatar. Whether thats just BMD naming rights or a stake in the club as well I couldn't say.

 

[Drico]

Problem is say he wins against Saints does it prove he's a good manager or is it just papering over the cracks by beating the very worst team the only team worse than us? So you either back him or sack him now. For me it's the latter because I've seen enough of his tactics to not be confident that we don't lose both! But I agree if they are keeping him back him with the players we are desperate for, but if he keeps losing they will sack him, god it's a mess

If we are to stay up, any manager has to be beating Southampton at home. Any manager. Giving Lampard - who has failed and been a confirmed failure by any objective judgement since November - this game is a dereliction of duty and an abrogation of risk management. Let's say he wins - like any manager would be expected to. He then goes on to lose at West Ham. What then? It'll be too late to sack, get a new man in, and use the window. The window will, effectively, be shut and we are scrabbling around then for Dele Ali types as last year, but in a far worse league position.

No, giving Lampard a stay of execution - because that's all it will be - is criminal. And probably fatal.

 

[Drico]

The Saudi's bought Newcastle who were bottom 3 with Steve Bruce as manager mate. These cats dont care about the short term its all about a long term vision.

I've had me ear to the ground and from what I've heard on the grapevine there is some interest from Qatar. Whether thats just BMD naming rights or a stake in the club as well I couldn't say.

Bottom three in the Premier League, though, with a window to fix the problem.

We will be bottom three without that window in a few weeks - and we may not be in the league by the time the next one comes around.

 

[Runub]

And that’s the biggest reason for me why he and his staff need to stay regardless, use the severance money to invest in the playing staff and it’s obvious where it needs to be spent to everyone including Lampard and his staff. Southampton is a case in point, Nathan Jones appointed very quickly after Uncle Ralph seems to be allergic to any other club he works at outside of Bedfordshire and their “bounce” is 4 straight league defeats without a whimper. Do we have the time for another manager to come in and teach these players their “philosophy“ when our next 2 games are must not lose? these are mostly the same players who have failed under nearly all the other managers before Lampard.
This bunch of boardroom morons are culpable of choosing Lampard and every other manager before him, they will never get the right appointment in or in a timely fashion using up much needed funds in the process.

Agree with this. Lampard is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but the main issue with regards to getting results is the squad. I can’t see how any manager can improve results without improving the squad. So why disrupt a delicate situation further by changing the manager and coaching staff with no guarantee it will work anyway, remember we tried that already. All available resources should go towards strengthening the squad. If we survive we can worry about the manager closed season

 

[Look to the future]

I’m not sure a change will help, Frank needs to be backed to get the attacking and Creative options we so desperately need. Bringing in a new guy with different ideas is also a gamble.

 

[Blue peter]

Onana cost an initial £10m, like. He's not a bad signing because he will never go down in value.

The main issue for me in that regard was spending on Garner. We didn't need him at that stage in the window and those are funds that could have been better spent.

They all take blame for the recruitment. But I do question a DoF who took 10 months to hire a head of recruitment.

Oh right - was that £10m the first deposit and was the final transfer fee confirmed or did it depend on performance metrics? To be honest I completely forgot about Garner but yes both KT and FL are culpable for the decisions they have made. I guess the point I was making was that I can’t argue with the logic of the defensive inbounds but think more care should have been taken in the balance between midfield and forward purchases.

 

[billyblue80]

If we are to stay up, any manager has to be beating Southampton at home. Any manager. Giving Lampard - who has failed and been a confirmed failure by any objective judgement since November - this game is a dereliction of duty and an abrogation of risk management. Let's say he wins - like any manager would be expected to. He then goes on to lose at West Ham. What then? It'll be too late to sack, get a new man in, and use the window. The window will, effectively, be shut and we are scrabbling around then for Dele Ali types as last year, but in a far worse league position.

No, giving Lampard a stay of execution - because that's all it will be - is criminal. And probably fatal.

Tend to agree and absolute silence from the club currently

 

[Toffe3m4n]

A win against Saints could propel us up to 13th if results elsewhere go our way. Either way, it's vital with Arsenal & the derby coming up..

 

[Tilling]

I suppose a fit Garner would be a m/f Dyche could use.

But the FBs: at Burnley Lowton and Taylor would also get forward on occassion and we only have Coleman who can push on - and it's unfair to expect him to do many forward runs at this stage of his career.

Dyche would need the FB situation being addressed as well as a target man.

Garner! Completely forgot about him, what a truly weirdly timed acquisition - think you're right though, you'd assume he'd get more time under Dyche.

Fair point re: the fullbacks - I think Mykolenko is unfairly criticised at times but I definitely agree we're very short at RB, Patterson nowhere near ready for the Prem (another example of Lampard naivety). The fullbacks didn't overlap that much though and it as often not symmetrical (Charlie Taylor usually higher up than Lowton) - horrible to say but we will benefit from being out of the cups early and the reduced frequency of games on that front. I think cash is tight and the reliable striker is far more pressing.

I suppose with Dyche I'm coming at this from a different angle though - it's an awful, awful league this year, beat Southampton and its 18 points from 19 games to get to stay up with 35 points - that's doable in my opinion even with Lampard in charge if you get the striker in/keep DCL fit. I just think Lampard hasn't demonstrated anything in the last year to suggest he's worth at all persevering with; yes he 'kept us up', but we were still a mad unprecedented Palace collapse away from staying up on goal difference last year!

Dyche meanwhile has demonstrated that he can work with no cash, and that he can coach an effective press - both things Lampard seemingly is unable to do

 

[Peter The Dog]

i got mildly excited by viewing his butt crack when he gave a pep talk to dacoure last night.

 

[BlueToff]

I think we were just limited to who we could buy on a structured deal mate, we got linked with some half decent names last summer, lads like Moffi in France for example but nothing ever materialised sadly. Is it this summer when we are free of quite a bit more wages do you know then obviously the Kean money?

We could have got Moffi but we dilly and dather and don't ever make a decision on players like that. He'd have been cheaper than Maupay overall even if the downpayment was slightly higher. They did want PL experience but that's what both Kopite Kev and Lampard agreed on - so they both take the blame for that IMO.

We've freed up tons of wages in the last few summers mate I think. Davies, Coleman and Doucoure (we have an option to extend it for a year with him) are the only ones out of contract in 2023 though I believe. Doucoure only one of those on sizeable wages and don't think he's as high as has been reported.

Kean money is already accounted for within this financial year. So they've either spent it already or still have it to play with, or it's entirely being used to ease P&L concerns.

 

[tadpole]

Not sure they are giving him the Saints game, I think they have probably made the decision whether he stays or goes but if they are replacing him they realise they can’t go a month without a replacement manager so are sounding managers out now (two are readily available that are based in the North West whether we would agree with those appointments or not) - it wouldn’t surprise me if they sack him then a replacement is confirmed within a day or two (if they aren’t doing this given the perilous situation, even though they have proven incompetent time and time again, then it would feel like professional sabotage and the biggest dereliction of duty)

It takes our Board at least three weeks to appoint a new manager. Every time.

If they wanted to ditch Lampard, they should have done it before the World Cup. Doing it now in the middle of the transfer window would reek of panic and would likely leave us in the same mess that we were in 12 months ago, when we were flying around trying to do urgent business in the last few days of the transfer window.

I trust Lampard to get a response from the players. Stick with him.

 

[BlueToff]

Garner! Completely forgot about him, what a truly weirdly timed acquisition - think you're right though, you'd assume he'd get more time under Dyche.

Fair point re: the fullbacks - I think Mykolenko is unfairly criticised at times but I definitely agree we're very short at RB, Patterson nowhere near ready for the Prem (another example of Lampard naivety). The fullbacks didn't overlap that much though and it as often not symmetrical (Charlie Taylor usually higher up than Lowton) - horrible to say but we will benefit from being out of the cups early and the reduced frequency of games on that front. I think cash is tight and the reliable striker is far more pressing.

I suppose with Dyche I'm coming at this from a different angle though - it's an awful, awful league this year, beat Southampton and its 18 points from 19 games to get to stay up with 35 points - that's doable in my opinion even with Lampard in charge if you get the striker in/keep Dominic Calvert-Lewin fit. I just think Lampard hasn't demonstrated anything in the last year to suggest he's worth at all persevering with; yes he 'kept us up', but we were still a mad unprecedented Palace collapse away from staying up on goal difference last year!

Dyche meanwhile has demonstrated that he can work with no cash, and that he can coach an effective press - both things Lampard seemingly is unable to do

Not sure on this.

He's injured, that's why he's not playing. He'd never kicked a ball in the PL before we signed him, so was never going to be thrown straight in and in September and early October the midifeld was working well.

Lampard really wanted Garner and really likes him. He'd be playing if his back wasn't knackered (worrying like given he's what, 21?).