2022/23 Frank Lampard

[GoldenToffee]

The ideal time to replace him was 7 weeks ago when they were getting ready to go to Australia

It really was staggering that instead of punting him, they let him take the squad 20,000 miles around the world for a nice holiday.

 

[Egil Olsen]

You say low, I say realistic. I’ve watched this coming for two years and it’s played out as I and plenty of others thought. Poor decisions, mismanagement, transfer comings and goings have led us to this point.

We had very few goals and creators in the team under Ancelotti, we were massively reliant on a few players to create and score. We lost those players and over the last three/four windows replaced them with much poorer players who couldn’t hope to get close to matching the contributions of the players they replaced. And in the meantime kept the players who weren’t chipping in with any goals/assists under Ancelotti and previous regimes.

It was a slow train crash and was always heading one way. They don’t look like they know how to score or create because the team is full of players who have no history of consistently scoring and creating at a high level.

Was it the Norwich manager’s fault for taking them down last season or did they just have a [Poor language removed] team?

I believe that very good coaches are coaches who perform above what is expected. As for Norwich, they performed about as expected - maybe a little better considering the money invested and that they were true to their style of play.

When it comes to Everton, and we look at their performance relative to what they have invested, it is clear that Everton are underperforming. It also doesn't provide much entertainment value either (for those who care).

Then you'll probably counter with how inferior our players are compared to our competition, despite how much we've invested in them (which also points to a problem), but look at Brighton yesterday. E.g. they played with Evan Fergusen as striker, while we played with DCL. We played with Coady and Tarkowski, while Brighton played with Dunk and Colwill. Many of Brighton's players are relatively unknown, while others have developed over time to become very solid players.

And if you watch Brighton play football, and have some knowledge of De Zerbi, then you can see quite clearly that they play De Zerbi ball, and not Potter ball anymore. Now, of course, Potter and De Zerbi are not completely different - it is not Big Sam verus Guerdiola, but they have some clear differences. The point is, De Zerbi doesn't have the world's best players at his disposal, but despite that, in a remarkably short time, De Zerbi has got the guys playing football the way the manager wants, and with relative success.

We are a universe away from achieving something similar with Lampard. And it's quite sad to see little Brighton have De Zerbi as their manager, playing fantastic football, while Everton, well what can we say, a manager who is clearly in deep water, and who wouldn't get the job if it wasn't for the name and acquaintance.

 

[Johnniepk]

I've just been for a walk to vlear my head a bit. Im thinking that timing of any such changes is critical.
Its a bit late now as the transfer window will close and any manager coming in, is stuck with the motley crue.
Giving FL till end of season means he carries all the cans.
The best time to make a change was before the WC, but thats gone.

I was furious about chucking the Bournemouth games as it told our weak willed bunch that some games dont matter.
That was the time.

I was a big advocate of FL. I thought he understood football. I was mistaken

 

[NathDogg]

All talk from him, he had years to attain that at Bolton and didn’t and in fact hasn’t his whole career. You seriously expected him to do that? He fooled at least you.

I expected nothing from him, so I wasn’t fooled by anything he did or said.

I would have liked to have seen him try to do something a little different, during one of the few times he wasn’t battling against relegation during the final games of the season, at what was clearly his biggest club role and what was (is?) a much bigger club than Bolton (no offence intended to Bolton btw).

 

[Connor]

Not according to the poll on here, the majority wanted him to stay. Insane.

Hindsight is a great tool like, because at the time I wasn't against him staying and trying to turn around. Though as times gone on, just looks like a mistake to not change it

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

Pop him on ignore mate .
He's relentless

I'll take that as a complement ?

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

I can only assume they are using the cup exit on Friday as a foil. New manager must be lined up and ready to take over the following day, they just don’t want them to start away at United. Madness if we think it will now miraculously turn around under Lampard

Lets hope it's the guy in your avatar!

 

[Egil Olsen]

I read that Kevin Thelwell has a 120 point plan to transform the club, as part of an overall strategic review. So, having seen the detail of that, people may be positive or negative about aspects of it. But it seemed extreme to say there was 'no' plan, when this initiative exists

It's seemed to me Everton have been hiring pretty much the best managers available to them on the market each time (although, yes maybe underestimated the fan backlash re Benitez), so it seems the problem is bigger than the manager choices....

I don't doubt they have plans, but it's easy to get things down on paper. So the question is what the plans are, as you mention, we don't know. Many of our competitors are quite open about their plans and which model they follow. until further notice, these plans are in KT's desk drawer. Then the plans must materialize. Tarkowski, Coady and McNeil are all players who suit Sean Dyche well, plus we have Michael Keane so maybe that's the plan???? Is he building a future team for Sean Dyche.

 

[NathDogg]

Just play the kids on Friday.

Agreed.

Going forward, he should play a mixture of kids and a few of the better performing (hahahahahaha) older players going forward in the league as well (that’s if he gets any more league games).

Another managerial change means they will give another chance to the busted flushes that are Davies, Keane, holgate, doucure *add as many as you like.

 

[BigDuncTributeBand]

I believe that very good coaches are coaches who perform above what is expected. As for Norwich, they performed about as expected - maybe a little better considering the money invested and that they were true to their style of play.

When it comes to Everton, and we look at their performance relative to what they have invested, it is clear that Everton are underperforming. It also doesn't provide much entertainment value either (for those who care).

Then you'll probably counter with how inferior our players are compared to our competition, despite how much we've invested in them (which also points to a problem), but look at Brighton yesterday. E.g. they played with Evan Fergusen as striker, while we played with Dominic Calvert-Lewin. We played with Coady and Tarkowski, while Brighton played with Dunk and Colwill. Many of Brighton's players are relatively unknown, while others have developed over time to become very solid players.

And if you watch Brighton play football, and have some knowledge of De Zerbi, then you can see quite clearly that they play De Zerbi ball, and not Potter ball anymore. Now, of course, Potter and De Zerbi are not completely different - it is not Big Sam verus Guerdiola, but they have some clear differences. The point is, De Zerbi doesn't have the world's best players at his disposal, but despite that, in a remarkably short time, De Zerbi has got the guys playing football the way the manager wants, and with relative success.

We are a universe away from achieving something similar with Lampard. And it's quite sad to see little Brighton have De Zerbi as their manager, playing fantastic football, while Everton, well what can we say, a manager who is clearly in deep water, and who wouldn't get the job if it wasn't for the name and acquaintance.

I don’t disagree with a lot, most, of what you’ve written. The only thing is, most of it isn’t anything to do with Lampard. There’s a huge amount of blame and culpability for our situation, the board, directors of football - I just find it he’d to lay that blame for our downward trajectory at Lampard’s door.

Good managers can improve teams but as Ancelotti said when he went back to Madrid, it’s a lot easier to manage a Ferrari than a Fiat Punto or words to that effect. This side struggled to score/create goals under one of the most successful managers of all time and he had DCL, Richie, James, Digne and Siggi. They had flaws but we’ve unarguably downgraded on them.

Yes, we’re massively underperforming compared to money spent, that’s meaningless if the money spent has been pissed up the wall like a drunk in the casino at 4am in the morning after an all day bender.

You could make the same argument for QPR under Flávio Briatore and then Tony Fernandes - they massively underperformed relative to money spent, still went down.

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

I don't doubt they have plans, but it's easy to get things down on paper. So the question is what the plans are, as you mention, we don't know. Many of our competitors are quite open about their plans and which model they follow. until further notice, these plans are in KT's desk drawer. Then the plans must materialize. Tarkowski, Coady and McNeil are all players who suit Sean Dyche well, plus we have Michael Keane so maybe that's the plan???? Is he building a future team for Sean Dyche.

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[Simon Buttle]

I believe that very good coaches are coaches who perform above what is expected. As for Norwich, they performed about as expected - maybe a little better considering the money invested and that they were true to their style of play.

When it comes to Everton, and we look at their performance relative to what they have invested, it is clear that Everton are underperforming. It also doesn't provide much entertainment value either (for those who care).

Then you'll probably counter with how inferior our players are compared to our competition, despite how much we've invested in them (which also points to a problem), but look at Brighton yesterday. E.g. they played with Evan Fergusen as striker, while we played with Dominic Calvert-Lewin. We played with Coady and Tarkowski, while Brighton played with Dunk and Colwill. Many of Brighton's players are relatively unknown, while others have developed over time to become very solid players.

And if you watch Brighton play football, and have some knowledge of De Zerbi, then you can see quite clearly that they play De Zerbi ball, and not Potter ball anymore. Now, of course, Potter and De Zerbi are not completely different - it is not Big Sam verus Guerdiola, but they have some clear differences. The point is, De Zerbi doesn't have the world's best players at his disposal, but despite that, in a remarkably short time, De Zerbi has got the guys playing football the way the manager wants, and with relative success.

We are a universe away from achieving something similar with Lampard. And it's quite sad to see little Brighton have De Zerbi as their manager, playing fantastic football, while Everton, well what can we say, a manager who is clearly in deep water, and who wouldn't get the job if it wasn't for the name and acquaintance.

Iwobi cost more than that entire Brighton team which played last night. The thing that does wind up a fair bit (for me) When Moshiri first came in here Brighton were playing out of the middle of an athletics stadium in league 1. In the subsequent time they have built a new club and a new stadium on the cheap all by having a plan and simply sticking to it. It can be done despite what certain fans think.

 

[Wat Tyler]

 

[spudmuncher]

He's not getting sacked .... is he ?

 

[TheBigIguana]

What he's doing now is a blueprint for relegation.

We have a very limited squad that are lacking technically and in intelligence. Play to our strengths, make it simple and be consistent.

If 532 works for Brentford in this league it can work for us

It's more than the numbers. I'm fine with 532 what will not work is the City "blueprint"