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The media picked up and ran with Ferguson because it fit the narrative they want to push. Didn't bother to look into the facts of what happened or wait for an investigation to be completed. The final result was all they needed. They ramped this up.

The same week the Ferguson incident happened a black cop in Salt Lake City shot a white teenager. Not much was made about that. why is that?

From this fun site on strict Gun Control Chicago...

While the events down in Ferguson play out, back in Chicagoland the same old bullspit continues day in and day out with nary a peep. In the 107 days since officer Darren Wilson shot and killed 18 year old Michael Brown – 12:03pm, Saturday, August 9th – the following stupidity has taken place in Chicago:
Brutal, yet incredibly asinine and absurd to say the least.

So what is it about these stats that hasn’t caused people to lose their collective spit?

After all, there have been plenty of opportunities to march, chant, throw spit, break stuff, come up with a hashtag, etc… in the past few months, not only in Chicago, but all over the nation. So where is the national media? The cable news talking heads? The race pimpin’ super duo of Jesse and Al? The professional agitators and social justice warriors? The exploiting politicians? Almost 900 shootings and homicides in the past three months and not one is worthy of their attention.

Someone from ‘round these parts once said “never let a crisis go to waste”. Apparently these stats aren’t crisis-y enough.


Race of Victim/Attacker


Race
Victim Attacker
Black 319 94
Hispanic 56 16
White/Other 27 12
Police- 15
As of 11/24/14

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The author makes a great point. THAT is where outrage should be directed. THAT is the problem. THAT is ignored. THAT is ignored because it would be un-PC to discuss it. So in stead PC warriors and the outrage brigade by focusing on specific events and ignoring the common tacitly support the continuation of this massacre.
 
obc said:
The author makes a great point. THAT is where outrage should be directed. THAT is the problem. THAT is ignored. THAT is ignored because it would be un-PC to discuss it. So in stead PC warriors and the outrage brigade by focusing on specific events and ignoring the common tacitly support the continuation of this massacre.
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The term PC is just about the most aggravating diversionary tactic of all.

"Hey, this other thing sucks - poor disenfranchised people are killing each other! Never mind that the power class is keeping them poor and disenfranchised through means such as creating a culture of fear of the police force. Never mind that problem, there is another one that we'd rather you look at because it doesn't reflect poorly on the current social structure that benefits me. But you're too PC to discuss that."


THAT isn't the problem. THAT is a symptom of the fact that young black men are disenfranchised. Partially by the fact that they worry that a cop is going to kill them if they do any stupid thing, or even if they don't do anything but are in the wrong place at the wrong time. It doesn't even matter if this particular case was (or was not) just. What matters is that a HUGE portion of the American population believes that the police force, which is there to serve them, is specifically targeting them with no repercussions. They believe that because it's true.

The problem will not be solved by focusing on symptoms of poverty. It will be solved by dealing with systemic prejudice.
 
davek said:
The term PC is just about the most aggravating diversionary tactic of all.

"Hey, this other thing sucks - poor disenfranchised people are killing each other! Never mind that the power class is keeping them poor and disenfranchised through means such as creating a culture of fear of the police force. Never mind that problem, there is another one that we'd rather you look at because it doesn't reflect poorly on the current social structure that benefits me. But you're too PC to discuss that."


THAT isn't the problem. THAT is a symptom of the fact that young black men are disenfranchised. Partially by the fact that they worry that a cop is going to kill them if they do any stupid thing, or even if they don't do anything but are in the wrong place at the wrong time. It doesn't even matter if this particular case was (or was not) just. What matters is that a HUGE portion of the American population believes that the police force, which is there to serve them, is specifically targeting them with no repercussions. They believe that because it's true.

The problem will not be solved by focusing on symptoms of poverty. It will be solved by dealing with systemic prejudice.
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ironic given that that's what you're doing in a reverse kind of way with that statement.

what do you mean by 'targeting' ?
 

donalmclean said:
ironic given that that's what you're doing in a reverse kind of way with that statement.

what do you mean by 'targeting' ?
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I mean that there is a massive amount of data showing that young black men are arrested and imprisoned at a higher rate for all crimes than their white counterparts. This does not mean they commit more crimes. It means they are arrested and imprisoned for the same crimes that white people tend to get off with a warning or probation.

That is targeting. Or you just have to look at broken window policing or stop and frisk to see policies that explicitly target the poorer ethnic neighborhoods and people that look like they come from them.

I'm not the one changing the subject from Ferguson. I am pointing out that a white cop shot an unarmed black teen and the immediate visceral response was to distrust the police officer and the justice system. That is broken. And it's systemically broken.

People killing each other isn't going to be solved by policing them more. It's solved by trying to solve the problems that lead to them thinking violence is a reasonable solution.
 
obc said:
The media picked up and ran with Ferguson because it fit the narrative they want to push. Didn't bother to look into the facts of what happened or wait for an investigation to be completed. The final result was all they needed. They ramped this up.

The same week the Ferguson incident happened a black cop in Salt Lake City shot a white teenager. Not much was made about that. why is that?

From this fun site on strict Gun Control Chicago...

While the events down in Ferguson play out, back in Chicagoland the same old bullspit continues day in and day out with nary a peep. In the 107 days since officer Darren Wilson shot and killed 18 year old Michael Brown – 12:03pm, Saturday, August 9th – the following stupidity has taken place in Chicago:
Brutal, yet incredibly asinine and absurd to say the least.

So what is it about these stats that hasn’t caused people to lose their collective spit?

After all, there have been plenty of opportunities to march, chant, throw spit, break stuff, come up with a hashtag, etc… in the past few months, not only in Chicago, but all over the nation. So where is the national media? The cable news talking heads? The race pimpin’ super duo of Jesse and Al? The professional agitators and social justice warriors? The exploiting politicians? Almost 900 shootings and homicides in the past three months and not one is worthy of their attention.

Someone from ‘round these parts once said “never let a crisis go to waste”. Apparently these stats aren’t crisis-y enough.


Race of Victim/Attacker


Race
Victim Attacker
Black 319 94
Hispanic 56 16
White/Other 27 12
Police- 15
As of 11/24/14

(edited to reconstruct table)


The author makes a great point. THAT is where outrage should be directed. THAT is the problem. THAT is ignored. THAT is ignored because it would be un-PC to discuss it. So in stead PC warriors and the outrage brigade by focusing on specific events and ignoring the common tacitly support the continuation of this massacre.
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The problem continues to be however, undertrained and over-equipped white cops shooting unarmed black men, whether accidental (the guy in NYC walking up the stairs to his apartment) or possibly justifiable (Brown). If we want to talk gun access and violence, that's an interesting, but separate issue. But this seems to be an issue of intentional or, much worse, inherent prejudice. The story about Brown is popular because there were so many witnesses; what's more sad it the guy who was shot in the back in Walmart while talking on his phone, and the many, many like him. The protests aren't about Michael Brown--they're about all of it.
 
It is a fact that largely across america there is a racist thought process regarding the colour of your skin and crime. throw all the figures you want around, makes no difference when a black man is pulled over because he is driving a nice car.

Dave chapelle said it best. The huge media presence when a 15 year old white teenager was abducted and taken to a place very close to her house. Huge search for her and the girl in question was helpless the whole time.

Young 8 year old black girl abducted and taken miles away from her house. she chewed through her ropes, escaped and made it all the way back home. Zero media presence.

And of course the whole famous quote.

'if a white cop wants to make a black man commit a crime in the eyes of the law, he can make it look like anything he wants to without him doing anything out of the ordinary' ASHTON (20-14)
 
RaleighBlue said:
THAT isn't the problem. THAT is a symptom of the fact that young black men are disenfranchised. Partially by the fact that they worry that a cop is going to kill them if they do any stupid thing, or even if they don't do anything but are in the wrong place at the wrong time. It doesn't even matter if this particular case was (or was not) just. What matters is that a HUGE portion of the American population believes that the police force, which is there to serve them, is specifically targeting them with no repercussions. They believe that because it's true.

The problem will not be solved by focusing on symptoms of poverty. It will be solved by dealing with systemic prejudice.
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There are many things I am prone to worry about for my 3 boys. These fears become specific as the boys grow; each one's personality lends itself to distinct troubles. But until a few years ago, I had never even imagined that I should ever fear most that one of my kids would be shot by a police officer. If you can't see that, you miss the point entirely. If I have a legitimate fear (even if I inflate the perception irrationally) that my child's greatest threat growing up is being shot by the police because of the color of his skin, there's a major problem, and it's not with the color of my child's skin.
 

SerenityNigh said:
There are many things I am prone to worry about for my 3 boys. These fears become specific as the boys grow; each one's personality lends itself to distinct troubles. But until a few years ago, I had never even imagined that I should ever fear most that one of my kids would be shot by a police officer. If you can't see that, you miss the point entirely. If I have a legitimate fear (even if I inflate the perception irrationally) that my child's greatest threat growing up is being shot by the police because of the color of his skin, there's a major problem, and it's not with the color of my child's skin.
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They're not going to get shot because of the colour of their skin. The cops don't just walk around indiscriminately shooting black kids.
 

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