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The state I live in, Wisconsin, has a population of around 5.7 million. Pretty comparable to your Finland at 5.5 million.

Finland has around 3,000 incarcerated people, currently. Wisconsin has 22,000 in prison. Tell me that isn't a problem.

12.8% of all black men in Wisconsin are behind bars. White men? 0.46%.

Would you like to continue blaming the victim?

so it is a cultural thing? black men dont respect the authority as much as whiteys? you should, look at the procentages.

you think your whole system is racist?

just because the police was white this whole thing popped up. thats racist like.
im sure theres many black police men who have shot punks like that and naturally it's like what ever.
 
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This is from a wise black friend of mine on the current situation. This resonated with me in the sense of recognition like recognizing a blues progression. You know, I -IV - I - I, etc. etc... Again, not my perspective, as every day I wake up a paler shade of white than which you cannot imagine. This guy is an IT guy (like me) a little younger than me (but not much) and reminds me that we've seen this play out many times before...

http://cobb.typepad.com/cobb/2014/11/schrödingers-black-panther.html
 
This is from a wise black friend of mine on the current situation. This resonated with me in the sense of recognition like recognizing a blues progression. You know, I -IV - I - I, etc. etc... Again, not my perspective, as every day I wake up a paler shade of white than which you cannot imagine. This guy is an IT guy (like me) a little younger than me (but not much) and reminds me that we've seen this play out many times before...

http://cobb.typepad.com/cobb/2014/11/schrödingers-black-panther.html
I still don't see how that jives with the statistics that show more minorities are imprisoned than whites for the same crimes (when more whites commit the crime). There is a serious issue with race relations in this country. As there always has been. It's not surprising that some people get angry about it.

We have made great strides. Doesn't mean the work is done. And proof of that is in our prison systems and in our morgues.
 
I still don't see how that jives with the statistics that show more minorities are imprisoned than whites for the same crimes (when more whites commit the crime). There is a serious issue with race relations in this country. As there always has been. It's not surprising that some people get angry about it.

We have made great strides. Doesn't mean the work is done. And proof of that is in our prison systems and in our morgues.

Dated a girl earlier this year who was pulled over at 3am not far from Ferguson. She was high as fuk, and the entire car smelled like pot. The cop looked at her and said "someone left pot in your car. You should go home as quickly as possible".

Now if anyone thinks a black man or woman would have gotten that same treatment, then they should root for the Kopites because they are delusional.
 
Dated a girl earlier this year who was pulled over at 3am not far from Ferguson. She was high as fuk, and the entire car smelled like pot. The cop looked at her and said "someone left pot in your car. You should go home as quickly as possible".

Now if anyone thinks a black man or woman would have gotten that same treatment, then they should root for the Kopites because they are delusional.
In my youth I was sent home by cops a few times when I suspect they knew something was amiss.

Hell the other day I joked with a couple of cops while quite inebriated. I felt comfortable enough to do that and that even if they asked me anything they would believe me when I said (truthfully) that I was not driving and had a designated driver.

No way would I feel that comfortable with a different skin tone.
 

I would like to think I have little bias against cops, but every time I read the unfortunate story of some non-threatening person shot by cops (especially shot in the back, or a kid, or black, or all...) I think of this scene and on the training of the police.

Trained for what?



Non-threatening ?

Brown put his hands in the police car didn't he ? After robbing a store and being a piece of s**t.

One can certainly put a case forward that the police acted shadily here, but the guy was hardly just an innocent kid walking home. He'd committed a crime and then committed another immediately prior to being killed.
 
Non-threatening ?

Brown put his hands in the police car didn't he ? After robbing a store and being a piece of s**t.

One can certainly put a case forward that the police acted shadily here, but the guy was hardly just an innocent kid walking home. He'd committed a crime and then committed another immediately prior to being killed.

3 minutes on till the end.
 
I'm not sure what your point is mate.

The guy wasn't shot for jaywalking.

Was it because his dog had urinated on his neighbours lawn? Point being disproportionate reaction. It wasn't very difficult to fathom, Dirty Harry talked you through it even.
 

Was it because his dog had urinated on his neighbours lawn? Point being disproportionate reaction. It wasn't very difficult to fathom, Dirty Harry talked you through it even.

How do you know it was a disproportionate reaction ? Were you there ?

I'll summarise what happened based on the evidence accepted by the Grand Jury:

- Officer tries to talk to Brown
- Brown acts in a confrontational manner
- Officer cuts across Brown's path with police car to get him to stop
- Brown reaches into police car and starts scrapping with Officer
- Officer tries to shoot brown, grazes his hand. DNA evidence and other evidence shows Brown almost certainly was inside the car
- Officer chases after Brown

What happened next is a little less certain, with many of the witness statements being unreliable. But:

"Mr McCulloch said other witnesses, African Americans who had not spoken out publicly, consistently said Mr Brown had threatened the officer."

It seems likely that Brown charged towards the officer at some point and was then shot dead.

Now, in the heat of the moment, when a man has just reached inside your car as a police officer and then moments later aggressively moves towards you, is it outrageous for you to shoot the man ?
 
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Non-threatening ?

Brown put his hands in the police car didn't he ? After robbing a store and being a piece of s**t.

One can certainly put a case forward that the police acted shadily here, but the guy was hardly just an innocent kid walking home. He'd committed a crime and then committed another immediately prior to being killed.

You cannot separate what happened to Brown with what that community has experienced and been told about, though. Even if Brown was legitimately shot by Wilson (which is what the evidence presented to the grand jury shows) noone is going to believe it because of everything that has gone on in the past three hundred years over there, and what continues to go on.
 
Non-threatening ?

Brown put his hands in the police car didn't he ? After robbing a store and being a piece of s**t.

One can certainly put a case forward that the police acted shadily here, but the guy was hardly just an innocent kid walking home. He'd committed a crime and then committed another immediately prior to being killed.

Brown, maybe. It seems clear that Brown attacked the police officer at the car. The question is why did the officer shoot him 150 away? Nevertheless, if you think my post is about Brown, you've misread my comments and I suggest you read them again.
 
Brown, maybe. It seems clear that Brown attacked the police officer at the car. The question is why did the officer shoot him 150 away? Nevertheless, if you think my post is about Brown, you've misread my comments and I suggest you read them again.

As your post was in a thread discussing Brown i assumed that it was meant to be directly relevant. Reading them again in isolation doesn't change that i'm afraid.
 
How do you know it was a disproportionate reaction ? Were you there ?

I'll summarise what happened based on the evidence accepted by the Grand Jury:

- Officer tries to talk to Brown
- Brown acts in a confrontational manner
- Officer cuts across Brown's path with police car to get him to stop
- Brown reaches into police car and starts scrapping with Officer
- Officer tries to shoot brown, grazes his hand. DNA evidence and other evidence shows Brown almost certainly was inside the car
- Officer chases after Brown

What happened next is a little less certain, with many of the witness statements being unreliable. But:

"Mr McCulloch said other witnesses, African Americans who had not spoken out publicly, consistently said Mr Brown had threatened the officer."

It seems likely that Brown charged towards the officer at some point and was then shot dead.

Now, in the heat of the moment, when a man has just reached inside your car as a police officer and then moments later aggressively moves towards you, is it outrageous for you to shoot the man ?

Is it outrageous for me to shoot someone when I'm enraged? Not at all. It is quite outrageous to think that a police officer, who claims he feared for his life after being struck in the face by Brown's fist, thought he was doing the correct thing chasing him 150 ft from the car. What did the officer think would happen next? The problem is not the crime or the response; it's that an officer has so little awareness of the situation that his only response is to chase someone and shoot them.

Is this the best we've got? What are these officers being trained to do? Certainly not to think and make good decisions.
 

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