Feeder Club

Goat · August 14, 2018

We should buy those RedBull German mutants.

abelard · August 14, 2018

rochdaleblue said:
I think you raise a good question for all academies in general. Just look at how good England are in all age groups up to 20. The talent is there no doubt. However many can’t get in premier league squads and rely on the under 23s for competitive football. But is this stalling their football education? The evidence suggests it is.

this is why the German sides are scrambling to buy young English players - after 3-4 years they'll sell them all back to us for 6-10 times the initial fee.

Bruce Wayne said:
Is there much evidence of players going out to feeder clubs on loan and then becoming a central part of the first team at their parent club? I believe Chelsea have, for instance, sent over 20 players to Vitesse over the years. How many of them have made it back into the first team?

From memory, the only one of those who became a regular is Matic, and that was only after he was sold to Benfica in the meantime.

think Chelsea do this not so much to develop their own first team players (who they'll always just buy outright), but rather, to sell lots of them at a modest profit to smaller clubs in order to game the FFP rules - Atsu, for example.

Nymzee · August 14, 2018

Bruce Wayne said:
Man Utd had slightly better success with Antwerp, but even then, the only players that went there and played regularly were squad filler like O'Shea, Evans and Gibson.

Feeder clubs primarily seem to be valuable in giving players experience so they can be sold on rather than preparing them for first team action with the parent club.

Think that’s more to do with how much harder it is to break into a United/Chelsea that it is an Everton.

Nymzee · August 14, 2018

BainesontoastNEW said:
Look up FC Leifering @Nymzee. What RB Salzburg do with them in Austria and then if they are good enough RB Leipzig. That is a model to aspire to.

Yeh noticed that’s how they do it. I mean I’m all for B teams like people have suggested but I can’t see it ever happening.

formerly manx toffee · August 14, 2018

The model is interesting in a second way. Regular first team football in a competitive league probably increases the value of young players beyond what it is today. It could be a business rather than a football decision

Death · August 14, 2018

We got a CD player ayer ayer ayer

JobForTheMoyes · August 14, 2018

abelard said:
this is why the German sides are scrambling to buy young English players - after 3-4 years they'll sell them all back to us for 6-10 times the initial fee.

think Chelsea do this not so much to develop their own first team players (who they'll always just buy outright), but rather, to sell lots of them at a modest profit to smaller clubs in order to game the FFP rules - Atsu, for example.

Basically cheating.

blueloon · August 14, 2018

Bruce Wayne said:
Is there much evidence of players going out to feeder clubs on loan and then becoming a central part of the first team at their parent club? I believe Chelsea have, for instance, sent over 20 players to Vitesse over the years. How many of them have made it back into the first team?

From memory, the only one of those who became a regular is Matic, and that was only after he was sold to Benfica in the meantime.

Yeah Chelsea have a poor reputation of hoovering up players and sending them on loan. Mason Mount , 19, was a big success at Vitesse last season , cracking player who clearly wouldn’t have got game time at Chelsea at his age. At Derby this season.
The task would be to find a decent club in a decent league who we could send them to , one that’s not big enough to try to then poach our players like RB Leipshite. Maybe we should approach Rangers, would be worth it for the fume on GOT.

N90 · August 14, 2018

Well be loaning barca players next season they can give them first team experience haha

Azzurri · August 14, 2018

BainesontoastNEW said:
Look up FC Leifering @Nymzee. What RB Salzburg do with them in Austria and then if they are good enough RB Leipzig. That is a model to aspire to.

Not for me. While I’d love Usmanov or someone to buy us the league title, as soon as footy follows that formula in a widespread manner I’m done with it.

Azzurri · August 14, 2018

Pseudonym said:
All that will happen if feeder clubs become a real, sanctioned thing is that certain clubs like Chelsea and City will hoover up every young player with talent going and loan about 60 players each out to their 5 feeder clubs. A B side in the lower divisions would be better IMHO.

I don’t like this either. Which local teams with 100+ year old fanbases would get shafted so Chelsea’s kids can run round on 30 grand a week with no chance of making the first team?

Nymzee · August 14, 2018

Azzurri said:
Not for me. While I’d love Usmanov or someone to buy us the league title, as soon as footy follows that formula in a widespread manner I’m done with it.

What's so wrong with how RB Leipzig operate?

Azzurri · August 14, 2018

Nymzee said:
What's so wrong with how RB Leipzig operate?

It’s just grim. Nothing wrong with it from a business viewpoint, but they were in the 5th tier a few years back and have shafted a number of clubs on their way to buying success and becoming even more hated than Bayern. Just a sad indicator of how modern football is, even a lot of their own fans are uncomfortable with it.

Nymzee · August 14, 2018

Azzurri said:
It’s just grim. Nothing wrong with it from a business viewpoint, but they were in the 5th tier a few years back and have shafted a number of clubs on their way to buying success and becoming even more hated than Bayern. Just a sad indicator of how modern football is, even a lot of their own fans are uncomfortable with it.

Think you're getting a little confused here mate.