Farhad Moshiri

[phil_t98]

I think we have to give Mosh some credit, he offed Koeman were in the past we would of stuck with him longer. remember both Moyes and Martinez were both in relegation spots and survived. I think the next manger will define how we see him. if he appoints a decent name and I aint talking Dyche or Undsworth (as mush as I like him) then fans will stay on side

 

[Neiler]

It’s a mess behind the scenes in my opinion, what is happening of the pitch is an example of the competing influences of the field. Koeman and any other scapegoat you care to mention is a smokescreen.

The owner, chairman and football department need to sing of the same hymn
sheet.

To give an example look at our recruitment of a no 10 this summer s and ethos and who actually picked who:

Rooney: Bill Kenwright all over it total romance.

Klassen: Total Koeman.

Sigurrdson: The type of high profile statement signing Moshiri wanted to make.

There seems to be a lack of clear decision making and competing influences behind the scenes, Everton strength has always come from unity and clear approach to decision making despite limits. At best it seems to me everyone is trying to keep everyone happy and at worst it’s an utter shambles of competing personalities and egos.

Just look at that no 10 debacle and work out the cost both in wages and transfer fees, an utter shambles that goes all the way up to the string holders at the club.

 

[Sir Alan]

It’s a mess behind the scenes in my opinion, what is happening of the pitch is an example of the competing influences of the field. Koeman and any other scapegoat you care to mention is a smokescreen.

The owner, chairman and football department need to sing of the same team sheet.

To give an example look at our recruitment of a no 10 this summer s and ethos and who actually picked who:

Rooney: Bill Kenwright all over it total romance.

Klassen: Total Koeman.

Sigurrdson: The type of high profile statement signing Moshiri wanted to make.

There seems to be a lack of clear decision making and competing influences behind the scenes, Everton strength has alway come from unity and clear approach to decision making despit limits. At best it seems to me everyone is trying to keep everyone happy and at worst it’s an utter shambles of competing personalities and egos.

Just look at that no 10 debacle and work out the cost both in wages and transfer fees, an utter shambles that goes all the way up to the string holders at the club.

Agree 100%

 

[davek]

It’s a mess behind the scenes in my opinion, what is happening of the pitch is an example of the competing influences of the field. Koeman and any other scapegoat you care to mention is a smokescreen.

The owner, chairman and football department need to sing of the same hymn
sheet.

To give an example look at our recruitment of a no 10 this summer s and ethos and who actually picked who:

Rooney: Bill Kenwright all over it total romance.

Klassen: Total Koeman.

Sigurrdson: The type of high profile statement signing Moshiri wanted to make.

There seems to be a lack of clear decision making and competing influences behind the scenes, Everton strength has always come from unity and clear approach to decision making despite limits. At best it seems to me everyone is trying to keep everyone happy and at worst it’s an utter shambles of competing personalities and egos.

Just look at that no 10 debacle and work out the cost both in wages and transfer fees, an utter shambles that goes all the way up to the string holders at the club.

Koeman isn't a scapegoat mate. He was and is the reason we are near the foot of the table.

 

[Neiler]

Koeman isn't a scapegoat mate. He was and is the reason we are near the foot of the table.

He ran his course without question and his attitude contributed to his down fall, which is essentially part of a managerial skill set.

But my opinion is that our problems lie further up the chain of command. It’s no harm changing manager as he completed the trinity of looseing players, fans and club. We essentially have one foot in the past and one in the future.

I don’t think he wholly is to blame for what we are experiencing at present there are divisions or rather competing ideologies and ego at play higher up the food chain for me.

 

[davek]

He ran his course without question and his attitude contributed to his down fall, which is essentially part of a managerial skill set.

But my opinion is are problems lie further up the chain of command. It’s no harm changing manager as he completed the trinity of looseing players, fans and club.

I don’t think he wholly is to blame for what we are expierning at present there are divisions or rather competing ideologies and ego at play higher up the food chain for me.

I sort of thought that way about RM when he was sacked. It seems harsh to single one figure out.

However, when it happened I had to conclude he was the single biggest reason it went wrong at the end and that he had to go.

The manager always takes responsibility...or should do. It's the way it is in the football business, which is very different to others.

 

[Sir Alan]

Let’s be honest he’s been so underwhelming.

His board of directors include;

Robert Elstone: Serial failure.

William Kenwright: Bluffer who has treated his “love” like a train set to satisfy his own ego.

Baxendale: sorry but why?

Rystanev: yet again what’s his story?

From talk of David Dein and directors from BP to this gang of clowns.

We are a joke shop.

 

[Neiler]

I sort of thought that way about RM when he was sacked. It seems harsh to single one figure out.

However, when it happened I had to conclude he was the single biggest reason it went wrong at the end and that he had to go.

The manager always takes responsibility...or should do. It's the way it is in the football business, which is very different to others.

Which is the ultimate premise I understand that, like I say he had nothing to fall back on and his attitude created zero good will to see him through adversity.

I don’t think he was the root cause though, I believe there is competing agendas, choices, influences and a lack of clear and decisive decisions being made higher up the food chain within the club.

Our recruitment and lack there off this summer is a case in point.

The board and power brokers at Everton need to be streamlined.

We are in danger of grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory, with how we are going about blowing our new found resources due to competing influences within the club.

Hopefully I’m wrong, but if it looks fishy, smells fishy and acts fishy, it’s likely not a parrot.

 

[kenada_blue]

It’s a mess behind the scenes in my opinion, what is happening of the pitch is an example of the competing influences of the field. Koeman and any other scapegoat you care to mention is a smokescreen.

The owner, chairman and football department need to sing of the same hymn
sheet.

To give an example look at our recruitment of a no 10 this summer s and ethos and who actually picked who:

Rooney: Bill Kenwright all over it total romance.

Klassen: Total Koeman.

Sigurrdson: The type of high profile statement signing Moshiri wanted to make.

There seems to be a lack of clear decision making and competing influences behind the scenes, Everton strength has always come from unity and clear approach to decision making despite limits. At best it seems to me everyone is trying to keep everyone happy and at worst it’s an utter shambles of competing personalities and egos.

Just look at that no 10 debacle and work out the cost both in wages and transfer fees, an utter shambles that goes all the way up to the string holders at the club.

Nope. 100% Koeman and Mosh backed him with it.

He's better than Barkley. The stats tell you so. Hence why Koeman wanted him

 

[Neiler]

Nope. 100% Koeman and Mosh backed him with it.

He's better than Barkley. The stats tell you so. Hence why Koeman wanted him

I think he was likely a unanimous choice likely, but I think it was Koeman and Mosh driven, given the fee and level of negotiation involved.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Which is the ultimate premise I understand that, like I say he had nothing to fall back on and his attitude created zero good will to see him through adversity.

I don’t think he was the root cause though, I believe there is competing agendas, choices, influences and a lack of clear and decisive decisions being made higher up the food chain within the club.

Our recruitment and lack there off this summer is a case in point.

The board and power brokers at Everton need to be streamlined.

We are in danger of grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory, with how we are going about blowing our new found resources due to competing influences within the club.

Hopefully I’m wrong, but if it looks fishy, smells fishy and acts fishy, it’s likely not a parrot.

Absolutely right. It's hard to know who is doing what at the club. Moshiri leaving Kenwright in place, as well as Elstone; then adding Walsh to compete with Koeman in buying players...it's an odd set up. For me Moshiri needs to clear Bill out and get a chairman in that is more astute and less rose tinted. If we want to build into a team that's competitive, we need a mindset change.

And you're right about Koeman, the attitude after ousting Martinez left him no wiggle room. If you don't get the results then you go.

Big decision needed on the next manager. Tuchel for me. I had hoped Unsworth would be a good option and felt he deserved a chance, but his substitutions yesterday were baffling.

 

[kenada_blue]

I think he was likely a unanimous choice likely, but I think it was Koeman and Mosh driven, given the fee and level of negotiation involved.

It reinforces my thought that a key striker wasn't the main priority.

IMO Moshiri has backed his manager more than any other manager we've had for decades. End of the day, he doesn't choose who we buy.

One thing they all agreed on was that once Grioud didn't sign, they said it'd be a waste of money getting anyone else and pulled the plug.

Even Koeman has come out and said there's no one better than Grioud, so anyone else was inferior. Hence we just stopped.

 

[Neiler]

Absolutely right. It's hard to know who is doing what at the club. Moshiri leaving Kenwright in place, as well as Elstone; then adding Walsh to compete with Koeman in buying players...it's an odd set up. For me Moshiri needs to clear Bill out and get a chairman in that is more astute and less rose tinted. If we want to build into a team that's competitive, we need a mindset change.

And you're right about Koeman, the attitude after ousting Martinez left him no wiggle room. If you don't get the results then you go.

Big decision needed on the next manager. Tuchel for me. I had hoped Unsworth would be a good option and felt he deserved a chance, but his substitutions yesterday were baffling.

I agree mate, the club needs a clear direction and that needs to come from one source and a board in place to manage that vision.

At the moment we are a collection of mis matched share holders with different competing philosophers and influences. It’s like a phoney war in a sense.

Kenwright is still a key shareholder and combined with allies he still has the fail safe within the club. He still is chairman of the board, that is far from a ceremonial position.

Moshiri I would Imagine won’t complete his share option until ground is broken on the docks.

As such we have resources but are being managed in a political vacuum inside the club, the club is held in a period of stasus until Moshiri. The club is being pulled in different directions by different influences, it’s undermining everything in my opinion.

 

[Neiler]

It reinforces my thought that a key striker wasn't the main priority.

IMO Moshiri has backed his manager more than any other manager we've had for decades. End of the day, he doesn't choose who we buy.

One thing they all agreed on was that once Grioud didn't sign, they said it'd be a waste of money getting anyone else and pulled the plug.

Even Koeman has come out and said there's no one better than Grioud, so anyone else was inferior. Hence we just stopped.

I wouldn’t agree with your semantics mate, I think a striker was a priority, I think the poor decision was putting all our eggs in the Giroud basket and were left underwhelmed with the remainder of the striker market once that deal hit the skids. I think the decision not to recruit any one else was either over confidence in what we signed or arrogance. It was a thunderously inept decision.

 

[kenada_blue]

I wouldn’t agree with your semantics mate, I think a striker was a priority, I think the poor decision was putting all our eggs in the Giroud basket and were left underwhelmed when the remainder of the striker market once that deal hit the skids. I think the decision not to recruit any one else was either over confidence in what we signed or arrogance. It was a thunderously inept decision.

That's Ronald Koeman.