Farhad Moshiri

[B17BLG]

What @Thomasc said. I can't see us winning under him again, I'm on about losing revenue by slipping further down, rather than climbing. But potentially if a caretaker boss comes in we could climb and gain.

Like I said it's all pie in the sky stuff but if the delay is due to them mulling over £2m it's ridiculous in today's game.

Imagine if we beat Sunderland, Norwich and Bournemouth and also Leicester. Just imagine the fume if he was in charge and we won 4 on the bounce!

Would he still be in charge for next season. You betcha!

Martinez Out

 

[blulouie]

Can we even catch Stoke?

After all the huff & guff posted on here for quite some time now this sums up almost 3 yrs of the current managers tenure.

If theres only one line Moshiri needs to read as he ponders pulling the trigger this is IT.....Post of the season mate.

 

[mightymoyes]

Read the £2M clause rumour, and if it exists then I don't actually blame them for not acting now.

Four almost pointless games with the clown in charge to save £2M actually seems like good business acumen.

I do want him gone though, but I can understand it.

makes zero sense, we'd make/lose more than that in league positions in he goes or stays.

 

[kithnou]

sorry the what clause? where?

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

makes zero sense, we'd make/lose more than that in league positions in he goes or stays.

Nobody knows that.

I've no doubt we will be crap if he stays, but changing gaffer doesn't guarantee results.

 

[whiteshadow]

We could sell Niasse to raise the money for the extra £2million pay off, it's not like he's ever going to play.

Mind you, not sure we'd even get £2m for him. lol

 

[mightymoyes]

Nobody knows that.

I've no doubt we will be crap if he stays, but changing gaffer doesn't guarantee results.

no but him staying guarantees poor ones

 

[Slippin Jimmy]

Nothing to suggest a new/temporary manager would lift us up the table though!

Mr Bean would be able to get us up a few places with this team.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

no but him staying guarantees poor ones

I think we are looking at different signs of the same coin. I agree, but from a business point of view, keeping him is lower risk than binning him and hoping to recoup the £2M from an upturn in form.

And before we get too heavy, the clause may not even exist. lol

 

[toffeeblue9]

What @Thomasc said. I can't see us winning under him again, I'm on about losing revenue by slipping further down, rather than climbing. But potentially if a caretaker boss comes in we could climb and gain.

Like I said it's all pie in the sky stuff but if the delay is due to them mulling over £2m it's ridiculous in today's game.

Can't really agree with this

We have 4 meaningless games where even a caretaker manager has no guarantee of more points than Martinez - if we really do save £2 million by waiting until June, then what's the point of just writing off £2 million by relieving him for 4 meaningless game?

You'd be gambling that a caretaker would take us far enough up the league to negate that £2m and it's unlikely

£2 million might be relatively small change in the grand scheme of things, but it's £2 million that we'd be spending for almost no reason whatsoever. That's bonkers economics and I'm fairly sure Moshiri won't have built his fortune by just throwing a couple of million away here and there for no reason other than to appease the blood lust of our fans (he needs to go before you think I'm arguing otherwise)

Just do it at the end of the season but work on his replacement beforehand

 

[bluegirl]

Can't really agree with this

We have 4 meaningless games where even a caretaker manager has no guarantee of more points than Martinez - if we really do save £2 million by waiting until June, then what's the point of just writing off £2 million by relieving him for 4 meaningless game?

You'd be gambling that a caretaker would take us far enough up the league to negate that £2m and it's unlikely

£2 million might be relatively small change in the grand scheme of things, but it's £2 million that we'd be spending for almost no reason whatsoever. That's bonkers economics and I'm fairly sure Moshiri won't have built his fortune by just throwing a couple of million away here and there for no reason other than to appease the blood lust of our fans (he needs to go before you think I'm arguing otherwise)

Just do it at the end of the season but work on his replacement beforehand

I can see that side too and that's fair enough.

But I'd do it now because of the statement it would make. He's just taken over, and knows the fans are angry - why not act?

You can work on his replacement whether he's there or not, just put the fans out of their misery.

Also, given these protests that are supposedly taking place, the backlash in the press could be massive too.

Maybe I'm talking with my heart and not my head - I know nothing about business or economics, I'm just talking as a fan and to sack him now, makes more sense to me.

 

[Thomasc]

Can't really agree with this

We have 4 meaningless games where even a caretaker manager has no guarantee of more points than Martinez - if we really do save £2 million by waiting until June, then what's the point of just writing off £2 million by relieving him for 4 meaningless game?

You'd be gambling that a caretaker would take us far enough up the league to negate that £2m and it's unlikely

£2 million might be relatively small change in the grand scheme of things, but it's £2 million that we'd be spending for almost no reason whatsoever. That's bonkers economics and I'm fairly sure Moshiri won't have built his fortune by just throwing a couple of million away here and there for no reason other than to appease the blood lust of our fans (he needs to go before you think I'm arguing otherwise)

Just do it at the end of the season but work on his replacement beforehand

So you don't actually think having him in the dressing room for longer is a massive negative? The games are not meaningless any more. Some players should be fighting for their careers at Everton and feel like they owe the fans big time for their recent displays.

 

[toffeeblue9]

I can see that side too and that's fair enough.

But I'd do it now because of the statement it would make. He's just taken over, and knows the fans are angry - why not act?

You can work on his replacement whether he's there or not, just put the fans out of their misery.

Also, given these protests that are supposedly taking place, the backlash in the press could be massive too.

Maybe I'm talking with my heart and not my head - I know nothing about business or economics, I'm just talking as a fan and to sack him now, makes more sense to me.

My heart says get him out today. Right now.

Ultimately, I don't want an owner who makes these decisions with his heart though. Business decisions (which this is) should never be made on the basis of emotion.

What we're really talking about here is paying £2 million to make a statement to keep the fans happy, it will be of little/no benefit to the club or players if we're honest. They and we all know that he is out of here in the summer, all they're really doing is saving themselves some banners and chants and a very awkward lap of "honour" after the Norwich game by paying this £2 million now.

It would satisfy a lot of people, but it's a crap business decision

 

[matty1878]

This agreement thingy is a load of horse crap. We must be just letting him have the rest of the season. Nothing to do with £2mill clause! We have a billionaire people ffs wake up aye.

 

[Steve Wigan]

Whatever happens I hope the team and especially the senior pros can rally round and ensure we take the remaining league games seriously. We have nothing to play for competively but the idea that we can give 4 league games a free pass is completely unacceptable IMO. Losing/drawing those games in a manner similar to recent performances just puts the lid on a season of abject failure.

There is a strong possibility that the Leicester game will be the game that could win the title for them, so we have a moral duty, to do our very best to test them. In any case, there is a chance we could improve our league position by three places, and even with our new money, the extra prize money is not to be sniffed at.