Everton Transfer Thread - Summer 2020

[Lanolin]

Barca Taking Minna back may not be so terribly far fetched.
He had played only six times for Barca before he left for Everton but has since added a further 42 first teams for us .
He has done well for us generally, sometimes better than others but he is still relatively speaking a young player as centre halves go.
The Spanish league is less physical , slower, but more technical than the Premiership and Barca may well feel that he is a player that could easily fit into their team now with the experience and knowledge that he has gained.
I know what the release clause is but I would guess that if they wanted him back a deal for a lesser sum could be agreed or maybe a swap deal.

They brought Piquet from Utd and he was in their team for a decade.

Personally I'm far from convinced he's good enough for us, nevermind likely to be the subject of a £60m bid from Barcelona.

 

[bullybeef]

Yeah, we shouldnt let football distract us, we need to keep studying those death numbers and feeding our anxiety about how life will never return to normal.

Its for the best.

Ever so slightly disrespectful.

 

[catcherintherye]

Personally I'm far from convinced he's good enough for us, nevermind likely to be the subject of a £60m bid from Barcelona.

I am more a pragmatist on these buy backs. If Mina does brilliantly for us, and we get £60m then great we can go and buy 2 or 3 of him to repeat the exercise. It's how a club like us has to operate.

Selling players, for lots of money at a huge profit is a very good problem to have. Having lads on the books, nobody can take, clogging your squad and preventing you being able to move forward is the big dilemma.

I have been a big fan of Mina from day 1 and hes underwhelmed me. I think next season is a big year for him though. He's had 2 years to settle in, and will have a more natural partner to him, but we need to see the Mina who dominates for Columbia and in South America.

 

[catcherintherye]

We're linked lads

"Newcastle may want to move quickly if they are genuinely interested, though, with Everton also hovering after Carlo Ancelotti asked the club to consider van de Beek as an option."

I mean it's a hard choice isn't it. Joelinton to supply and Steve Bruce, or Richarlinson and Carlo Ancelotti. The truth is though that this is likely his agent using our and their name to flush out interest. Get used to it, and get used to loads of arguments from Geordies about who may or may not have been linked to signing who. They are muscling in on territory that was exclusively ours.

 

[catcherintherye]

....Malang Sarr another CB being linked. I think we’ve been associated with him in the past.

Olympiakos linked with Bolasie.

He's on a free, so would be some astute business you'd feel. It looks as if we are going for cb's that can play at full back and/or in midfield. Todibo, Gabriel and this lad. It may be nothing but certainly seems noteworthy.

My other gut feeling is, we are going to sign 2 cb's this season. I think they always wanted an additional 1, and Keane may be going. I wonder if they are getting some back up options (seen this lad, and the lad from Holland linked, who again can play midfield) so perhaps it allows them to be more aggressive on the price side with clubs. I've seen France have just cancelled, if you are smart, as Brands is you apply pressure re Gabriel and push the price down, knowing you may have someone in reserve. It's ruthless but it's what smart people do.

I really like Todibo and Gabriel, but this lad on a free would make a lot of sense. If Todibo was available for £15m it may be that suddenly Gabriel isnt as attractive as we initially thought?

 

[catcherintherye]

Agreed, if we were to sign two centre halves I think that would be the end of Gibson at Everton, not that I think we will sign two.

I think the plan was always for Gibson to go on loan to a high calibre European team. I'll throw something else into the mix, I wonder if we will start utilising CB's as cover for fullback more? Gibson maybe next season comes in as 5th choice CB, 2nd choice LB, and we know that Holgate can fill in at Rb or midfield too.

Or it may be we do with Gibson what we did with Lookman. He goes and impresses, and we move him on for decent money?

 

[Eggs]

I think the plan was always for Gibson to go on loan to a high calibre European team. I'll throw something else into the mix, I wonder if we will start utilising CB's as cover for fullback more? Gibson maybe next season comes in as 5th choice CB, 2nd choice LB, and we know that Holgate can fill in at Rb or midfield too.

Or it may be we do with Gibson what we did with Lookman. He goes and impresses, and we move him on for decent money?

...I presume mentioning CBs who can cover at FB isn’t the same as saying CBs who will play FB. I’m not the biggest fan of CBs playing FB (agree Lescott was excellent) other than filling in because of injury.

If we are to bring in Gabriel and Todibo, I’d be thinking it’s more a matter of both being better than we have. For me, I would expect them to be first choice.

 

[catcherintherye]

...I presume mentioning CBs who can cover at FB isn’t the same as saying CBs who will play FB. I’m not the biggest fan of CBs playing FB (agree Lescott was excellent) other than filling in because of injury.

If we are to bring in Gabriel and Todibo, I’d be thinking it’s more a matter of both being better than we have. For me, I would expect them to be first choice.

I think though, certainly in Holgate's chance case he could be as good at right back as at centre back. He's comfortable on the ball, quick, has a decent engine etc.

Football adapts and moves forward. The trend has certainly been towards very attacking fullbacks, but we know Ancelotti is quite an innovative thinker, and he may well be of the view that he wants more power and defensive capability from his defenders, particularly if we are going to be playing a midfield 4 ahead of them containing Bernard, Gomes and a Winger down the right.

There's a lot of thinking allowed for me, but playing behind a midfield 4 you do get tested a lot more than playing with 5 men ahead of you. You have to be able to go man to man with the winger more often.

As for better, yes, that's certainly the hope. I think Todibo is very raw and it may be the case he needs 6 months to get used to new surroundings. It's good though, if those two rock up, Mina in particular and Holgate know only their best performances will do, and merely signing them drives up performance. We would have real power and pace at the back, and be able to implement a completely different game plan. It would make the midfields job much easier too. It all ties in.

 

[blueblue]

Personally I'm far from convinced he's good enough for us, nevermind likely to be the subject of a £60m bid from Barcelona.

There is no hope of a 60m bid, but if Barca wanted him back and we had other options then a deal would not be impossible.
Barca were prepared to sell at the time but not desperate to do so. They are in a continual state of needing money to buy somebody and at the time Minna had hardly played for them and wasn't likely to get a chance in their first team.
The buy back clause allows them the opportunity to get back young players after they have gained experience and shown their worth.

Minna has now gained experience and shown he can handle the physicality of a much more physical league. If he went Back to Barca and did moderately well in their backline his value would jump even higher.
Barca are trying to rebuild and could probably have him back if they were to give us a player like Todibo and maybe a smallish cash settlement.
I don't think this is likely but it is possible.

 

[Lanolin]

I think though, certainly in Holgate's chance case he could be as good at right back as at centre back. He's comfortable on the ball, quick, has a decent engine etc.

Football adapts and moves forward. The trend has certainly been towards very attacking fullbacks, but we know Ancelotti is quite an innovative thinker, and he may well be of the view that he wants more power and defensive capability from his defenders, particularly if we are going to be playing a midfield 4 ahead of them containing Bernard, Gomes and a Winger down the right.

There's a lot of thinking allowed for me, but playing behind a midfield 4 you do get tested a lot more than playing with 5 men ahead of you. You have to be able to go man to man with the winger more often.

As for better, yes, that's certainly the hope. I think Todibo is very raw and it may be the case he needs 6 months to get used to new surroundings. It's good though, if those two rock up, Mina in particular and Holgate know only their best performances will do, and merely signing them drives up performance. We would have real power and pace at the back, and be able to implement a completely different game plan. It would make the midfields job much easier too. It all ties in.

I understand what you're saying, but i'm a big believer in people being specialists in certain positions. Being able to fill in somewhere else in an emergency is great, but ideally you want people who are so good in their own position that you wouldn't want to move them somewhere else. It's a very special kind of player who is equally as good in two positions; you get a lot who can 'do a job' but very few who excel.

 

[catcherintherye]

I understand what you're saying, but i'm a big believer in people being specialists in certain positions. Being able to fill in somewhere else in an emergency is great, but ideally you want people who are so good in their own position that you wouldn't want to move them somewhere else. It's a very special kind of player who is equally as good in two positions; you get a lot who can 'do a job' but very few who excel.

I think though as a young player, particularly Todibo you would take game time where you could find it, and your bets position initially may not be the best position eventually. I also think, Holgate is a very good footballer, but can we say he's miles ahead as a CB than in other positions? I am not wholly convinced of that.

 

[Bluebonic]

madness

Madness, they call it madness

(heads off down hall bellowing ‘One Step Beyond‘)

 

[blueblue]

I understand what you're saying, but i'm a big believer in people being specialists in certain positions. Being able to fill in somewhere else in an emergency is great, but ideally you want people who are so good in their own position that you wouldn't want to move them somewhere else. It's a very special kind of player who is equally as good in two positions; you get a lot who can 'do a job' but very few who excel.

I do agree with you that in general first team players are usually specialists that play in more or less the same position every week. A squad will have a couple of versatile players but in general they fill in gaps rather than being in the first eleven... although versatile players are very useful in a squad.
We don't know what kind of rush CA is in to build his team or even what kind of money is available to him... I think that as much as anything will tell us what market we are in.

 

[Zatara]

He's on a free, so would be some astute business you'd feel. It looks as if we are going for cb's that can play at full back and/or in midfield. Todibo, Gabriel and this lad. It may be nothing but certainly seems noteworthy.

My other gut feeling is, we are going to sign 2 cb's this season. I think they always wanted an additional 1, and Keane may be going. I wonder if they are getting some back up options (seen this lad, and the lad from Holland linked, who again can play midfield) so perhaps it allows them to be more aggressive on the price side with clubs. I've seen France have just cancelled, if you are smart, as Brands is you apply pressure re Gabriel and push the price down, knowing you may have someone in reserve. It's ruthless but it's what smart people do.

I really like Todibo and Gabriel, but this lad on a free would make a lot of sense. If Todibo was available for £15m it may be that suddenly Gabriel isnt as attractive as we initially thought?

...I presume mentioning CBs who can cover at FB isn’t the same as saying CBs who will play FB. I’m not the biggest fan of CBs playing FB (agree Lescott was excellent) other than filling in because of injury.

If we are to bring in Gabriel and Todibo, I’d be thinking it’s more a matter of both being better than we have. For me, I would expect them to be first choice.

I think though, certainly in Holgate's chance case he could be as good at right back as at centre back. He's comfortable on the ball, quick, has a decent engine etc.

Football adapts and moves forward. The trend has certainly been towards very attacking fullbacks, but we know Ancelotti is quite an innovative thinker, and he may well be of the view that he wants more power and defensive capability from his defenders, particularly if we are going to be playing a midfield 4 ahead of them containing Bernard, Gomes and a Winger down the right.

There's a lot of thinking allowed for me, but playing behind a midfield 4 you do get tested a lot more than playing with 5 men ahead of you. You have to be able to go man to man with the winger more often.

As for better, yes, that's certainly the hope. I think Todibo is very raw and it may be the case he needs 6 months to get used to new surroundings. It's good though, if those two rock up, Mina in particular and Holgate know only their best performances will do, and merely signing them drives up performance. We would have real power and pace at the back, and be able to implement a completely different game plan. It would make the midfields job much easier too. It all ties in.

My strategy would be very simple...

Sign Todibo £20mil / Gabriel £30mil / Sarr Free / Emerson £20mil

RB: Emerson / Kenny / Coleman
CB: Holgate / Mina / Keane / Todibo / Gabriel / Gibson
LB: Digne / Baines / Sarr


We will have spent a max of £70mil on those 4 players...with a bit of negotiation, perhaps £55mil+

Im confident we could offload a couple of players to bring in £30mil which would mean £25mil -£40mil spent on 'completing' our back line.

 

[KaiserEFC]

I like a left footed CB (that isn’t Ramiro Funes Mori)