Everton Summer Transfer Thread - 2022

[Zatara]

Half the big clubs in Europe would have Richarlison. If Carlo stays at Real he'd be interested, and I reckon PSG would be paying attention too. Man Utd and Arsenal would both make sense as well.

If I was Richi I'd want a move to Monaco. No income tax.

Something that hasnt been mentioned for a while.. we could use the Arthur/Pjanic swap deal approach.

If Richarlison moved to PSG, Madrid, Chelsea or United then we could value him at £80mil or even £100mil and also inflate the fees of any player(s) included in a swap deal.

The same goes for DCL of course.

 

[Curtis]

I wouldnt be shocked if Moshiri signs Al Ghazi on a permanent, dude is inept and easily manipulated

 

[Moderatelywarmwater]

Something that hasnt been mentioned for a while.. we could use the Arthur/Pjanic swap deal approach.

If Richarlison moved to PSG, Madrid, Chelsea or United then we could value him at £80mil or even £100mil and also inflate the fees of any player(s) included in a swap deal.

The same goes for DCL of course.

That was of course…..an utter disaster for both clubs

 

[Zatara]

That was of course…..an utter disaster for both clubs

Not in terms of FFP.

 

[Tree13]

Are you not concerned that with 11 outgoings and only 3 incomings we would not be light in numbers?

I mean I get it, half the players dont play, but thats part of the reason we are in a relegation dogfight, also with the 5 subs next season, a very small squad would be a risk.

I dont have the answers either by the way, no real idea how we tackle the mess we have.

I'm suggesting at least six out, with two in. (Assuming no sales).

If sales are achieved, I'm suggesting (at maximum) eleven out and five in.

Of course I'd be happy to see a couple more come in, but they're probably going to have to be loans. We can't just buy a new player to reach each one that leaves, the finances simply won't stretch that far.

 

[Zatara]

I'm suggesting at least six out, with two in. (Assuming no sales).

If sales are achieved, I'm suggesting (at maximum) eleven out and five in.

Of course I'd be happy to see a couple more come in, but they're probably going to have to be loans. We can't just buy a new player to reach each one that leaves, the finances simply won't stretch that far.

If the below all left, we would still have:

GK: Pickford / Begovic / Tyrer
RB: Patterson / Coleman
CB: Branthwaite / ???
CB: Godfrey / ???
LB: Mykolenko / Nkounkou
CM: Iwobi / ???
CM: Doucoure / Onyango
CM: Davies / ???
LF: Richarlison / Gray
AM: Dele / Dobbin
RF: Gordon / Townsend
CF: Calvert-Lewin / ???

Squad of 20 players with 5 incomings needed.

1: Sigurdsson out of contract
2: Kenny out of contract
3: Tosun out of contract
4: Delph out of contract
5: Lonergan out of contract
6: Van De Beek end of loan
7: El Ghazi end of loan
8: Kean Pretty much gone anyway
9: Allan Rumours of Napoli
10: Mina sold with one year left
11: Holgate sold
12: Keane sold
13: Gomes sold/loan
14: Gbamin sold/loan
15: Rondon sold/loan
16: Virginia loan becoming permanent



We could see 16 players leave and replaced with 5. Thats without sacrificing our 'higher value' players.

Theres going to be loan opportunities and cut-price deals to be done in the summer...i think Thelwell needs to bring in a chainsaw and recycle alot of the squad.

 

[Bkk Andy]

Why didnt the club do that last summer? When DCL had just scored 20 goals, Pickford off the back of a good Euro’s. Could have got really good money for them two

We don't know. What we do know is that the club is extremely badly run and that the finances are an absolute mess that required some outlandishly creative accounting to scrape inside the league's rules.

 

[Bkk Andy]

Sell two of Mina, Keane and Holgate and we'd easily buy a £30m CB, because in accounting the £30m is spread over the length of the contract. The "spend" in year one of a four-year contract for a £30m player is £7.5m.

"It's only 7.5m" soon adds up over a number of players and you need to find that money every year until the end of the contract. And I assume that you'll want to do the same next year which is these payments plus the new ones which will need paying.

I worked in banking in the noughties and this type of thinking is why it collapsed. You can't keep kicking the can down the road. At some point you need to realize that payments need to be made and debts need to be serviced.

 

[Bkk Andy]

Something that hasnt been mentioned for a while.. we could use the Arthur/Pjanic swap deal approach.

If Richarlison moved to PSG, Madrid, Chelsea or United then we could value him at £80mil or even £100mil and also inflate the fees of any player(s) included in a swap deal.

The same goes for DCL of course.

These is a reason that this approach isn't widely used. Kicking the can causes problems in later years when the yearly book fee is still massively inflated. Barca as a financial model makes us look half competent

 

[Zatara]

"It's only 7.5m" soon adds up over a number of players and you need to find that money every year until the end of the contract. And I assume that you'll want to do the same next year which is these payments plus the new ones which will need paying.

I worked in banking in the noughties and this type of thinking is why it collapsed. You can't keep kicking the can down the road. At some point you need to realize that payments need to be made and debts need to be serviced.

These is a reason that this approach isn't widely used. Kicking the can causes problems in later years when the yearly book fee is still massively inflated. Barca as a financial model makes us look half competent

I agree if the club was being run as a business.

However, its a billionaires hobby.

What I understand is that we'll spend as much as possible to get into the top positions...but its the rules holding Moshiri back.

If players leave and wages are trimmed to satisfy P+S regulations then this and next summer we could have a 3 year rolling net positive/breakeven on the regulations.

That should mean in 2024 when the stadium is built, we can spend heavily again.

I believe at that time we'll see USM or another vehicle come in as sponsor which will wipe out any concerns on the balance sheet to satisfy regulations.

Over this and next summer I think we'll spend the same in fees as we bring in while trimming the wage bill and selling/losing players out of contract to wipe out amortization payments.

 

[Eggs]

We could still move them on even for multi-year loans where their wages are covered...saving us money 'on the books'.





1: Sigurdsson out of contract
2: Kenny out of contract
3: Tosun out of contract
4: Delph out of contract
5: Lonergan out of contract
6: Van De Beek end of loan
7: El Ghazi end of loan
8: Kean Pretty much gone anyway
9: Allan Rumours of Napoli
10: Mina sold with one year left
11: Holgate sold
12: Keane sold
13: Gomes sold/loan
14: Gbamin sold/loan
15: Rondon sold/loan
16: Virginia loan becoming permanent


I dont see why we wouldnt be able to shift most if not all of these 16 players.

We could take a hit on some but with the rules on amortized payments we'd be able to punt the likes of Gomes for free if needs be, or lower fees for those like Keane to supplement wages.





With Lampards Chelsea connection it would be a shame if we didnt work the loan market with them.

There may be another Livramento/Lamptey/Guehi we could bring in like Colwill.

If we did move on Mina and Holgate for say £20mil and brought in Colwill for less..would we look any worse?

….obviously the end-of-contract players will leave unless Lampard wants extensions for the likes of Kenny, but we can’t assume anything regarding the others. For example, it’s got to a point where Mina might well want to see his contract out and move on a lucrative Bosman.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

"It's only 7.5m" soon adds up over a number of players and you need to find that money every year until the end of the contract. And I assume that you'll want to do the same next year which is these payments plus the new ones which will need paying.

I worked in banking in the noughties and this type of thinking is why it collapsed. You can't keep kicking the can down the road. At some point you need to realize that payments need to be made and debts need to be serviced.

But every club does it, it’s not like it’s a loophole we’re exploiting.

Also it’s not necessarily the same fees every year. Because your expensive signings. Either you move on for profit or you give them new deals. Like Pickford, Keane and Richarlison would have probably cost 20mil in fee’s after they all signed new deals, that figure probably halved.

And every season you will sell players, or have players OOC. So I don’s see it being an issue.

You sound like you won’t the club to follow last summer for another 2/3 yrs, while selling players, to have a total reset. The problem there is we will then be under relegation pressure every season, potentially costing the club 100’s Of millions, if we go down. That’s why if we sell big players this summer, they will spend money on replacements.

 

[HeltSkelt]

Absolutely mad if you think there wouldn't be any suitors.

Not at a price we'd swallow or a wage he'd want. He's had one amazing season in his career and then struggled to make an impact after a fairly serious injury. He needs to show he is more than a one season wonder for anyone to be willing to take him on terms we or him would accept.

 

[Yarrgh]

Good quality sensible transfer discussion with lack of abrasion and humble bragging. What has happened to this thread? I kinda like it.

I don't.

Parade out the South American wunderkind with pun potential names please.

 

[Rich1878]

Not at a price we'd swallow or a wage he'd want. He's had one amazing season in his career and then struggled to make an impact after a fairly serious injury. He needs to show he is more than a one season wonder for anyone to be willing to take him on terms we or him would accept.

We will get good money for him regardless of this 1 season you think he has been amazing . Still a good age , Brazil no 9 . You can't seriously expect him to be absolutley flawless in a team who on the whole has underperformed . Put him around better players and im.pretty sure he will become a better player