Everton now have the longest winless run at their 'big' derby rivals Stadium in Europe

TraffordBlue · April 2, 2017

Every time we fail to win there it gets me thinking about how other fans must feel playing away against their 'superior' neighbours and wondered how their derby record compared with ours. When looking in to this I only wanted to compare actual city rivals, and only clubs who play in a derby against a team that has excelled in European Football.

I've chosen any side on here with 3 or more significant European trophy wins, that play in a same city derby. The only exceptions being Arsenal who are deemed the bigger of the 2 North London Clubs but have won less European trophies than Spurs, and I also added Benfica. I'm not counting Super Cups or Intertoto either:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UEFA_club_competition_winners

League matches played away since last win at Rival's ground:

Liverpool v Everton = 17
Chelsea v Fulham = 15
Dynamo Kiev v FC Arsenal Kiev = 11* (Never beaten Dynamo Kiev)
Juventus v Torino = 9
Barcelona v Espanyol = 8
Feyenoord v Sparta Rotterdam = 8
Porto v Boavista = 6
Arsenal v Tottenham= 6
AC Milan v Inter = 4
Bayern Munich v 1860 Munich = 4
Sevilla v Real Betis = 4
Benfica v Sporting CP = 1
Real Madrid v Atletico Madrid = 0
Man United v Man City= 0
Hamburg v St Pauli = 0

Only 4 other clubs won their last derby before ours in 2010/11 and the winless run in any competitive derby for them is:

Espanyol = 17
Fulham = 17
Everton = 14
1860 Munich = 9
Boavista = 9

Obviously Chelsea may not class Fulham as their biggest rivals but both Spurs, Arsenal, West Ham etc have other rivals they consider their main rival. When you look at some of the sides in there, it's staggering to think that they can go to some of the current biggest clubs in Europe and get a win, and we can't beat a side who hasn't won a title in the time we have failed to beat them.

Apologies for another depressing thread but thought some may find it interesting to see how we compare, especially given that some of those clubs are far smaller than we are and the gap between the sides in quality is far superior.

blueboy1945 · April 2, 2017

Not in the least surprised. Think it will be a while longer yet.

McBain · April 2, 2017

Thank you Professor Downer.

summerisle · April 2, 2017

And the longest thread title.

GrandOldTeam · April 2, 2017

Despite the depressing nature, appreciate the effort gone in to provide this thread. Thanks.

dannyboy · April 2, 2017

It's got to the point where I'm almost immune to it. The outcome is so obvious it's depressing. Honestly already dreading the games next year.

blue61 · April 2, 2017

EFC78 said:
Every time we fail to win there it gets me thinking about how other fans must feel playing away against their 'superior' neighbours and wondered how their derby record compared with ours. When looking in to this I only wanted to compare actual city rivals, and only clubs who play in a derby against a team that has excelled in European Football.

I've chosen any side on here with 3 or more significant European trophy wins, that play in a same city derby. The only exceptions being Arsenal who are deemed the bigger of the 2 North London Clubs but have won less European trophies than Spurs, and I also added Benfica. I'm not counting Super Cups or Intertoto either:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UEFA_club_competition_winners

League matches played away since last win at Rival's ground:

Liverpool v Everton = 17
Chelsea v Fulham = 15
Dynamo Kiev v FC Arsenal Kiev = 11* (Never beaten Dynamo Kiev)
Juventus v Torino = 9
Barcelona v Espanyol = 8
Feyenoord v Sparta Rotterdam = 8
Porto v Boavista = 6
Arsenal v Tottenham= 6
AC Milan v Inter = 4
Bayern Munich v 1860 Munich = 4
Sevilla v Real Betis = 4
Benfica v Sporting CP = 1
Real Madrid v Atletico Madrid = 0
Man United v Man City= 0
Hamburg v St Pauli = 0

Only 4 other clubs won their last derby before ours in 2010/11 and the winless run in any competitive derby for them is:

Espanyol = 17
Fulham = 17
Everton = 14
1860 Munich = 9
Boavista = 9

Obviously Chelsea may not class Fulham as their biggest rivals but both Spurs, Arsenal, West Ham etc have other rivals they consider their main rival. When you look at some of the sides in there, it's staggering to think that they can go to some of the current biggest clubs in Europe and get a win, and we can't beat a side who hasn't won a title in the time we have failed to beat them.

Apologies for another depressing thread but thought some may find it interesting to see how we compare, especially given that some of those clubs are far smaller than we are and the gap between the sides in quality is far superior.

TheFinnFan · April 2, 2017

EFC Si · April 2, 2017

What about Chelsea v QPR?

Zezti · April 2, 2017

boooooooooooooo

GrandOldTeam · April 2, 2017

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bitter-no-better · April 2, 2017

GOT now has the longest thread names on any forum.

ToffeeTim · April 2, 2017

It doesn't get better until the club find some gut and stop accepting it. All those involved in the Kenwright era and it's regime, see Evertons rightful position in English football as below Liverpool. With that sort of pathetic defeatist mindset it's no wonder we get embarassed by them so often.