Everton January 2022 Transfer Thread

[bluestevon]

Cos FSW told people he didn’t want him here?

Which makes zero sense - one team put money on the table us letting it be known he was for sale effects that how?

 

[ToffeeTim]

Which makes zero sense - one team put money on the table us letting it be known he was for sale effects that how?

Teams knew they could get a good deal because there was no way we wanted to keep the player. It was an ok deal for us still in the end, but I do think we could have got slightly more under different circumstances.

 

[bluestevon]

You just said in your above post Newcastle were in for Digne mate, therefore the same context that applies to Wood applies to Digne. Its also indictive of "market price" if an aged journey man striker scraping for relegation most seasons is worth 25 mill in the market - then a younger French International former Roma , PSG, Barca player with experience of CL etc - is worth more - i don't think that's a huge jump in logic to be honest, especially in the January limited availability market - "market forces".

To be honest i think people are trying to convince themselves this is a good or fair deal because - they are stressed and worried about us being skint and its hard to hold the anxiety of knowing we need to balance the book - just because we need money, doesn't mean we have to accept bad deals or call them out when they are. Thats the psychology pawn brokers work on.

But mate using Newcastle as a gage for market value is not valid, same as it wouldn't be to use what we've been paying for tosun, Iwobi et Al as a barometer.

Digne is 28, been out of form for 18 months, thinking especially at this time with zero resale he's worth 30m+ is imo just deluded.

Especially when you factor in his wages on top of a fee for any buying club.

 

[Zatara]

Easy to say, hard to do.

Not exactly going to be a long line of clubs for the likes of Gbamin, Iwobi, Davies, Holgate. Maybe a couple of takers for Allan, Gomes, Keane.

Plus, they might all be perfectly content to sit pretty on their current deals and move on a free in a year or two when it best suits their interest.

I find it odd when I keep reading that we needed sell xy and z player this window. We've been trying to move most of them for ages, with no luck. Why would this month be any different.

If we move players this window they will probably be players who are amongst our few good ones.

We can move those players on. Imaginative structured deals where we pay a % of wages / lowered fees etc.

I am happy to be educated, but no one can show me one shred of evidence other than gossip to backup these claims. I mean, not one single manager or DOF has said anything despite it ultimately costing their jobs if it was true

Do you think someone who would almost certainly have signed an NDA would break it to go to the press?

When you call it 'gossip' it isnt really is it? Its persons with track records of getting things right commenting on things which seem almost certainly true.

 

[bluestevon]

Teams knew they could get a good deal because there was no way we wanted to keep the player. It was an ok deal for us still in the end, but I do think we could have got slightly more under different circumstances.

Maybe but I doubt it mate, I just think the real elite clubs would see him as a squad player and thsts why Chelsea didn't bother

 

[blueblue]

Ok enough about incoming players.

Lets talk about the players that need to go to the choppa. CHOP CHOP TIME!!


CHOPCHOP Pickford and your [Poor language removed] hysterics. Its you that gives our defence the shits. [Poor language removed] off

CHOPCHOP Iwobi. Nice guy, and Iwboi type player without the skills. CHOPCHOP!

CHOPCHOP Keane! Just [Poor language removed] OFF!

CHOPCHOP Holgate!! NO! JUST NO!! NOT GOOD ENUF!!

CHOPCHOP TOM DAVIES!! GO! JUST GO!!

CHOPCHOP

Are you feeling alright ?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Ok enough about incoming players.

Lets talk about the players that need to go to the choppa. CHOP CHOP TIME!!


CHOPCHOP Pickford and your [Poor language removed] hysterics. Its you that gives our defence the shits. [Poor language removed] off

CHOPCHOP Iwobi. Nice guy, and Iwboi type player without the skills. CHOPCHOP!

CHOPCHOP Keane! Just [Poor language removed] OFF!

CHOPCHOP Holgate!! NO! JUST NO!! NOT GOOD ENUF!!

CHOPCHOP TOM DAVIES!! GO! JUST GO!!

CHOPCHOP

Last time I had heard so much chopping was when I was at @emir circumcision party

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

We can move those players on. Imaginative structured deals where we pay a % of wages / lowered fees etc.





Do you think someone who would almost certainly have signed an NDA would break it to go to the press?

When you call it 'gossip' it isnt really is it? Its persons with track records of getting things right commenting on things which seem almost certainly true.

Theres is loads of other examples of managers doing this as I linked earlier...shrugs

As for gossip, a few hours ago on here it was gospel that Mosh had signed Ghazi, now it seems it was part of the digne deal.....shrugs


Have you just got up btw?

 

[roy vernon]

We can move those players on. Imaginative structured deals where we pay a % of wages / lowered fees etc.





Do you think someone who would almost certainly have signed an NDA would break it to go to the press?

When you call it 'gossip' it isnt really is it? Its persons with track records of getting things right commenting on things which seem almost certainly true.

We can’t move them on if they don’t want to go. There becomes a point when you have to say, if we pay that much of X player’s wages, in order to get another club to take him on loan, we can’t afford to pay the wages of the player we bring in to replace them. I’m not talking ffp or whatever it’s premier league counter part is , I’m talking simple profit and loss.

It’s easy to lose sight of the fact that it may well not solely be a matter of financial regulations that stop us spending. It may well be that the owner/owners have decided that the club is too big a drain on him/them and that the football side of the business has to start financing itself.

I think it is quite possible that, from here on in, the only significant investment by the owner/owners will be in the new stadium. I truly believe that the plan is for the playing side to be debt free when we move ground, making it easier to sell on.

 

[Neiler]

But mate using Newcastle as a gage for market value is not valid, same as it wouldn't be to use what we've been paying for tosun, Iwobi et Al as a barometer.

Digne is 28, been out of form for 18 months, thinking especially at this time with zero resale he's worth 30m+ is imo just deluded.

Especially when you factor in his wages on top of a fee for any buying club.

Its absolutely a gauge, you said yourself they were interested din him, its not arbitory, they were an interested party, so its relevant, in terms of the market of the deal.

28 is very young, his contract expired in June 25 - so he had 3 and half years to run on his deal - we had all the aces and valued him the same as Chris Wood. Clearly about 17 mill on the deal, loosing one of our best players.

We save a wage, but have taken on two, we however take on higher ammostidation costs annually for P/S /FFP regulations so not great.

Ive no doubt if he hadn't been publicly ridiculed by the manager and we hadn't told the world we wanted rid and didn't look desperate to do it - we would have gotten 30-35 million, top full back in this league go for that, and he is one.

It was a poor deal and we are worse of for it.

 

[hktoffee]

Its absolutely a gauge, you said yourself they were interested din him, its not arbitory, they were an interested party, so its relevant, in terms of the market of the deal.

28 is very young, his contract expired in June 25 - so he had 3 and half years to run on his deal - we had all the aces and valued him the same as Chris Wood. Clearly about 17 mill on the deal, loosing one of our best players.

We save a wage, but have taken on two, we however take on higher ammostidation costs annually for P/S /FFP regulations so not great.

Ive no doubt if he hadn't been publicly ridiculed by the manager and we hadn't told the world we wanted rid and didn't look desperate to do it - we would have gotten 30-35 million, top full back in this league go for that, and he is one.

It was a poor deal and we are worse of for it.

Agreed. In normal circumstances he is worth £30m but FSW devalued him.

 

[Zatara]

Theres is loads of other examples of managers doing this as I linked earlier...shrugs

As for gossip, a few hours ago on here it was gospel that Mosh had signed Ghazi, now it seems it was part of the digne deal.....shrugs


Have you just got up btw?

DOF i meant...as in Brands or Walsh unleashing hell. There will be NDAs in place.

Soon going to sleep...

We can’t move them on if they don’t want to go. There becomes a point when you have to say, if we pay that much of X player’s wages, in order to get another club to take him on loan, we can’t afford to pay the wages of the player we bring in to replace them. I’m not talking ffp or whatever it’s premier league counter part is , I’m talking simple profit and loss.

It’s easy to lose sight of the fact that it may well not solely be a matter of financial regulations that stop us spending. It may well be that the owner/owners have decided that the club is too big a drain on him/them and that the football side of the business has to start financing itself.

I think it is quite possible that, from here on in, the only significant investment by the owner/owners will be in the new stadium. I truly believe that the plan is for the playing side to be debt free when we move ground, making it easier to sell on.

Weve got a large squad. We could sell 8 players and replace with 4.

 

[Jebus_lives]

thank the gods, Dave's going to be distraught though lol

Another one Benitez has let slip through his fingers.

 

[Neiler]

But nobody thinks that Wood was worth that, including the people who paid it for him. It was done with the not-so-subtle intention of damaging their biggest rivals for survival, and if you have seen the reports around that apparently Dyche is going apoplectic at the deal then it appears to have worked. If Newcastle survive this season at Burnley's expense then their devious little plan will pay back ten-fold. You can't hold that deal parallel to others and claim it is indicative to the market because it isn't.

At the end of the day somebody is only worth what someone else is prepared to pay. No club dramatically better than Everton wanted Digne permanently, so the types of clubs that were lining up for him weren't particularly enticing which will affect the players price somewhat, as clubs who do not have Champions League ambitions (which Villa don't in the short term) are unlikely to pay the kind of money that bona-fide CL sides pay out, especially on a left back no less (Transfermarkt apparently claim it is the sixth highest fee ever paid out for a left back, which doesn't seem so bad).

Sorry mate, I just see that minimisation of what is a poor deal. A lot of that is speculation and conspiracy theory. You can’t isolate teams doing business in the market especially when that team was also interested in the player and call it not reflective, we all deal in the same system. It’s absolutely similar in terms of market value and I do t care what you say, Wood is a lesser quality player than Digne, but Burnley got a better deal than we for Digne.

It’s also speculative to say no one was interested, I don’t think that was the case, we know Newcastle and Villa were others too - CL or not. I mean he went in the first few days of the window - demand. Why not hold him till end flush out interest, bidding wars etc or hold till the summer. I’ll tell you why we didn’t because the manager threw him under a bus in the media, while every club knew we needed the money, we even telegraphed by getting anew left back in, leaving us with zero leverage to maximise the deal.

All leading to you guessed it a poor deal, one of our best players lost for the equivalent of 30 year old Burnley striker. How anyone can say we did well out the deal is just fooling themselves to be honest.

We’re weaker for it.

 

[roy vernon]

DOF i meant...as in Brands or Walsh unleashing hell. There will be NDAs in place.

Soon going to sleep...




Weve got a large squad. We could sell 8 players and replace with 4.

We could Zat, but, if we get shut of 8, who will, no doubt, be on stupidly high wages, by the time we have paid most the wages and brought in the 4 replacements and the paid their wages, I just don’t think it makes financial sense. It may well be possible under financial regulations, but, still not make fiscal sense to the person/people who matter.

I really believe the object here is to have the playing side debt free and financing itself from here on in. Just enough money to keep us up will be spent. The endgame for our owner/owners here is the successful building of Bramley-Moore and a sale for a nice profit. I don’t think his/their heart/s in it any more.