Everton: ground share idea builds on interwoven past

[Philw]

please don't say this. that is all.

Yeah sorry bout that. It's acceptable where I live, you just kinda get caught up in the way of people around you I guess. It's like you lot calling everyone Lid. Only much, much worse.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Yeah sorry bout that. It's acceptable where I live, you just kinda get caught up in the way of people around you I guess. It's like you lot calling everyone Lid. Only much, much worse.

It's daft American caveman speech.

*cue the inevitble backlash*

 

[Onslow]

Well done Onslow back to the old nut of where is the club going to get the money to refurb GP. Danny kill this we have enough stadium threads.

Where are they going to get the money to fund a completely new stadium?

The old nut can be cracked if we would set our course for gradual redevelopment of GP.

I'd rather put our efforts into doing this over the course of 20 years than to see us reduced to our knees with RS taking a cut of Everton's earnings.

 

[Onslow]

It astounds me how anyone can continue to defend LCC.

In bed with the Reds. They are Lewinsky to RS's Clinton.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

The word asrehole and Elstone aqppear to be closely related.

ONslow sorry it is ridiculous to talk of refurbishing GP over 20 years that would be like painting the Forth bridge. It would never get finished.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

The word asrehole and Elstone aqppear to be closely related.

ONslow sorry it is ridiculous to talk of refurbishing GP over 20 years that would be like painting the Forth bridge. It would never get finished.

Thats not the point he is making.

The point is, LCC have included Anfield OR Liverpools NEW GROUND - but no chance of any Everton NEW GROUND being included.

So if we were taken over tomorrow, built a 150,000 seater in the centre of Liverpool One. It wouldn't be included.

So that begs the question of what happened to LCCs confidence of delivering a site for Everton?... oh wait, that false optimism was just part and parcel of hijack Kirkby. Shame that.

 

[New-Ground]

Let's not worry about the world cup as there are more important things to
focus on. The rumoured Green Lane site is good. Conference facilities away
from the waterfront will not work - sorry LFC. Who is going to go to Stanley
Park when the waterfront facilities beckon? Peel do not want a stadium in
the docks, so get that out of our minds.

The Green Lane site needs a number of Compulsory Purchase Orders to make it
work. The currently freight only Canada Dock Branch Line is adjacent and is
being electrified in the local electrification plans within 4 years. This
means it can be a part of the electric Merseyrail metro network - on the
same line as LFCs stadium - then the line can shift as many trains as
possible with uprated signalling. It needs a 4 to 6 platform station to
shift the majority of the fans in and out, which is essential in a modern
stadium - ask London who know all about shifting people fast and always use
the fast underground network. The line can run from Bootle to Edge Hill via
Anfield & Kirkdale and onto Lime St, from Edge Hill onto South Parkway and
Hunts X via Mossley Hill. There are plenty of changing points for other
lines getting fans far and wide in Merseyside and beyond.

The M62 and Queens Drive is not far away but the roads are not that wide to
these through routes. Prescot Rd and Edge Lane can disperse road traffic.
Hopefully there will be little as Merseyrail can shift fans faster and
better.

I can see a partner with EFC in the site as it is ideal for retail and with
a Merseyrail station adjacent - ideal for attracting business far an wide.
Newsham Park will have its own rail station as well, and it will serve Old
Swan.

Fans can spread over Newsham Park making it safe and easy for panic
situations. Ideally it would be good to have the stadium over the rail line
with a station under. Fans then can go directly into the stands. Have it
with retractable roof, then in winter fans needs not get cold travelling to
the game or during it - a great attraction.

If the line has LFC and EFC on it then it will be viable, shifting say
40,000 per hour, that is 80,000 per game. Say, 65 game between the two
clubs, that is 5.2 million a year not counting pop concerts or normal every
day passengers. The Merseyrail metro network has 28.5 passenger journeys per
annum, so another 5.5 million is a highly substantial increase in the
service. That is over 16% carried on the Canada Dock Line alone, which is
mainly football traffic. This keeps the roads more fluid and prevents a
nuisance to residents as most fans will attend via fast rail.

Sounds promising if the key rail aspect is sorted and it shifts the fans.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Let's not worry about the world cup as there are more important thing to focus on. The rumoured Green Lane site is good. Conference facilities away from the waterfront will not work - sorry LFC. Who is going to go to Stanley Park when the waterfront facilities beckon? Peel do not want a stadium in the docks, so get that out of our minds.

The Green Lane site needs a number of Compulsory Purchase Orders to make it work. The currently freight only Canada Dock Branch Line is adjacent and is being electrified in the local electrification plans within 4 years. This means it can be a part of the Merseyrail metro network - on the same line as LFCs stadium - then it can shift as many trains as possible with uprated signalling. It needs a 4 to 6 platform station to shift the majority of the fans in and out, which is essential in a modern stadium - ask London. The line can run from Bootle to Edge Hill via Anfield and onto Lime St, from Edge Hill onto South Parkway and Hunts X via Mossley Hill. There are plenty of changing point for other lines getting fans far a wide in Merseyside and beyond.

The M62 and Queens Drive is not far away but the roads are not that wide to these through routes. Prescot Rd and Edge Lane can disperse road traffic. Hopefully there will be little as Merseyrail can shift fans faster and better.

I can see a partner with EFC in the site as it is ideal for retail and with a Merseyrail station adjacent - ideal for attracting business far an wide.

Fans can spread over Newsham Park making it safe and easy for panic situations. Ideally it would be good to have the stadium over the rail line with a station under. Fans then can go directly into the stands. Have it with retractable roof, then in winter fans needs not get cold travelling to the game or during it - a great attraction.

If the line has LFC and EFC on it then it will be viable, shifting say 40,000 per hour, that is 80,000 per game. Say, 65 game between the two clubs, that is 5.2 million year not counting pop concerts or normal every day passengers.

Sound promising if the key rail aspect is sorted and it shift the fans.

Can you get us a plane mate? I need to tell the missus something and she's the other end of town with no signal.

 

[chicoazul]

Let's not worry about the world cup as there are more important thing to focus on. The rumoured Green Lane site is good. Conference facilities away from the waterfront will not work - sorry LFC. Who is going to go to Stanley Park when the waterfront facilities beckon? Peel do not want a stadium in the docks, so get that out of our minds.

The Green Lane site needs a number of Compulsory Purchase Orders to make it work. The currently freight only Canada Dock Branch Line is adjacent and is being electrified in the local electrification plans within 4 years. This means it can be a part of the Merseyrail metro network - on the same line as LFCs stadium - then it can shift as many trains as possible with uprated signalling. It needs a 4 to 6 platform station to shift the majority of the fans in and out, which is essential in a modern stadium - ask London. The line can run from Bootle to Edge Hill via Anfield and onto Lime St, from Edge Hill onto South Parkway and Hunts X via Mossley Hill. There are plenty of changing point for other lines getting fans far a wide in Merseyside and beyond.

The M62 and Queens Drive is not far away but the roads are not that wide to these through routes. Prescot Rd and Edge Lane can disperse road traffic. Hopefully there will be little as Merseyrail can shift fans faster and better.

I can see a partner with EFC in the site as it is ideal for retail and with a Merseyrail station adjacent - ideal for attracting business far an wide.

Fans can spread over Newsham Park making it safe and easy for panic situations. Ideally it would be good to have the stadium over the rail line with a station under. Fans then can go directly into the stands. Have it with retractable roof, then in winter fans needs not get cold travelling to the game or during it - a great attraction.

If the line has LFC and EFC on it then it will be viable, shifting say 40,000 per hour, that is 80,000 per game. Say, 65 game between the two clubs, that is 5.2 million year not counting pop concerts or normal every day passengers.

Sound promising if the key rail aspect is sorted and it shift the fans.

Welcome mate.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Welcome mate.

Stop negating my sarcasm. It's my only vice.

 

[chicoazul]

Stop negating my sarcasm. It's my only vice.

Welcome mate.

 

[Onslow]

ONslow sorry it is ridiculous to talk of refurbishing GP over 20 years that would be like painting the Forth bridge. It would never get finished.

A gradual approach with a GP refurbishment is better than paying rent at someone else's ground.

Fulham tried to completely redevelop Craven Cottage in one fell swoop. They couldn't get it past their Borough Council. Then they tried to secure land to build a new ground within their traditional area, but that was too rich for Al-Fayed's wallet.

Finally they took a step back and went with what they could accomplish at Craven Cottage. They've been upgrading their ground in incremental stages ever since.

There is no reason we couldn't do the same. Take the easiest/most likely stand to develop and install the key upgrades needed by Everton within that initial development. At the same time, lay the legal and structural planning foundation for the more difficult aspects of a Goodison redevelopment project.

We're limited only by a line of propaganda regarding GP that has been repeated so often that it has become more an article of faith than actual fact. What Everton need is the kind of outside-the-box leadership and thinking that made Goodison Park possible in the first place.

 

[New-Ground]

What made Goodison Park possible in the first place was moving from Anfield.

GP is a right off, and has been written off for 12 years. Staying there will be fixing the lid on the coffin of decline and ensure a second tier club.

Everton need a high revenue earning stadium, that is not possible at GP. The club needs:

• A Rapid-transit rail station to shift in and out over half the stadium capacity - this is essential for success. This will ensure fans turn up even in December playing a not known Euro team.
• Over 60,000
• Retractable roof to get fans in, in winter and create atmosphere.
• Good road access.
• Park & ride.
• Top corporate facilities.
• Top fan restaurants, clubs, bars - all inside the stadium
• Image - not possible clustered around tatty looking terraced houses. No disrespect to the residents.

The formula is simple and no secret.

The simple fact you are comparing Everton with Fulham shows the ambition of many fans.

 

[Namdrater]

What made Goodison Park possible in the first place was moving from Anfield.

GP is a right off, and has been written off for 12 years. Staying there will be fixing the lid on the coffin of decline and ensure a second tier club.

Everton need a high revenue earning stadium, that is not possible at GP. The club needs:

• A Rapid-transit rail station to shift in and out over half the stadium capacity - this is essential for success. This will ensure fans turn up even in December playing a not known Euro team.
• Over 60,000
• Retractable roof to get fans in, in winter and create atmosphere.
• Good road access.
• Park & ride.
• Top corporate facilities.
• Top fan restaurants, clubs, bars - all inside the stadium
• Image - not possible clustered around tatty looking terraced houses. No disrespect to the residents.

The formula is simple and no secret.

The simple fact you are comparing Everton with Fulham shows the ambition of many fans.

We have no money to do the above though - at the moment.

 

[trebilcock66]

Its a well written piece, but for a city like Liverpool not to be able to have two world class stadiums and two world class sides.

Heres some facts I just learnt from Wiki.

Liverpool used to be called 'Europe's New York'
Liverpool's wealth exceeded London's
Liverpool was also the site of the UK's first provincial airport, operating from 1930.
By the start of the 19th century, 40% of the world's trade was passing through Liverpool and the construction of major buildings reflected this wealth.
Ferries, Transatlantic Steamships, Railways and municipal trams were all pioneered in Liverpool.
The first School for the Blind, High School for Girls,council houseand Juvenile Courtwere all founded in Liverpool. The RSPCA, NSPCC, Age Concern, Relate, Citizens Advice Bureau and Legal Aid all evolved from work in the city.
In the field of public health, the first lifeboat station, public baths and wash-houses, sanitary act, medical office for health, district Nurse, slum clearance, purpose-built ambulance,X-ray medical diagnosis, School of Tropical Medicine, motorised municipal fire-engine, free school milk and school meals,cancer research centre,and zoonosis research centre all originated in Liverpool. The first British Nobel Prize was awarded in 1902 to Ronald Ross, professor at the School of Tropical Medicine.Modern medical anaesthetics were pioneered in Liverpool by Thomas Cecil Gray.
In finance, Liverpool founded the UK's first Underwriters' Associationand the first Institute of Accountants. The Western world's first financial derivatives (cotton futures) were traded on the Liverpool Cotton Exchange in the late 1700s.
In the arts, Liverpool was home to the first lending library, atheneum society, arts centre and public art conservation centre.
In 1897, the Lumière brothers filmed Liverpool,including what is believed to be the world's first tracking shot,taken from the Liverpool Overhead Railway.


WTF happened Liverpool?

Well researched, McBain but that doesn't mention the MerseyBeat era. Was it Timothy Leary who said something like: "Right now, Liverpool appears to be the centre of the universe..." That was as recent as the sixties...

Pity really. How mighty are the fallen.

THATCHER.

Dead bloody right, Chico.