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Agree mate. Not being funny but Liverpools not exactly full of millionaires unlike other clubs. £39 for Wigan at home is pretty expensive

This I never understand, by that I mean - where do people think commercial revenue comes from!

No one wants to die but everyone wants to go to heaven!

Not to be glib and your right but you can imagine your last sentance is the balance the club has to strike, but we all want more commercial revenue.
 

This I never understand, by that I mean - where do people think commercial revenue comes from!

No one wants to die but everyone wants to go to heaven!

Tickets are a rather modest portion of the potential commercial revenue we're missing out on though. Even if the price of every ticket was increased at a rate of £5 per game (assuming an attendance average of 35000 and including season ticket holders, which would increase ST prices by £100), the potential revenue increase hovers around £3.5m per annum.

We could make more money than that each year by having a superior sponsorship deal, and you wouldn't then be running the risk of losing supporters by pricing them out of attending matches.
 
A big part of the problem Blues, is right here;

TOP TEN PREMIER LEAGUE SHIRT SPONSORSHIP DEALS

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[TH="align: center"]2012-13[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]£[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Sponsor[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Liverpool[/TD]
[TD]£20m[/TD]
[TD]Standard Chartered[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Man City[/TD]
[TD]£20m[/TD]
[TD]Eithad Airways[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Man United[/TD]
[TD]£20m[/TD]
[TD]Aon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sunderland[/TD]
[TD]£20m[/TD]
[TD]Invest in Africa[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chelsea[/TD]
[TD]£13.8m[/TD]
[TD]Samsung[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Newcastle[/TD]
[TD]£10m[/TD]
[TD]Virgin Money[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tottenham[/TD]
[TD]£10m[/TD]
[TD]Aurasma (Autonomy)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Aston Villa[/TD]
[TD]£8m[/TD]
[TD]Genting Casinos[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Arsenal[/TD]
[TD]£5.5m[/TD]
[TD]Fly Emirates[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fulham[/TD]
[TD]£4.2m[/TD]
[TD]FxPro[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

We settle for £4m. Indicative...

Everton's Commercial Director must do better...
 

A big part of the problem Blues, is right here;

TOP TEN PREMIER LEAGUE SHIRT SPONSORSHIP DEALS

[TABLE="class: article-table, width: 644"]
[TR="class: article-table-header bogr1, bgcolor: #F5F5F5"]
[TH="align: center"]2012-13[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]£[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Sponsor[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Liverpool[/TD]
[TD]£20m[/TD]
[TD]Standard Chartered[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Man City[/TD]
[TD]£20m[/TD]
[TD]Eithad Airways[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Man United[/TD]
[TD]£20m[/TD]
[TD]Aon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sunderland[/TD]
[TD]£20m[/TD]
[TD]Invest in Africa[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chelsea[/TD]
[TD]£13.8m[/TD]
[TD]Samsung[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Newcastle[/TD]
[TD]£10m[/TD]
[TD]Virgin Money[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tottenham[/TD]
[TD]£10m[/TD]
[TD]Aurasma (Autonomy)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Aston Villa[/TD]
[TD]£8m[/TD]
[TD]Genting Casinos[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Arsenal[/TD]
[TD]£5.5m[/TD]
[TD]Fly Emirates[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fulham[/TD]
[TD]£4.2m[/TD]
[TD]FxPro[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

We settle for £4m. Indicative...

Everton's Commercial Director must do better...

Fuming here.

This was in the other thread a minute ago.
 
A big part of the problem Blues, is right here;

TOP TEN PREMIER LEAGUE SHIRT SPONSORSHIP DEALS

[TABLE="class: article-table, width: 644"]
[TR="class: article-table-header bogr1, bgcolor: #F5F5F5"]
[TH="align: center"]2012-13[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]£[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Sponsor[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Liverpool[/TD]
[TD]£20m[/TD]
[TD]Standard Chartered[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Man City[/TD]
[TD]£20m[/TD]
[TD]Eithad Airways[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Man United[/TD]
[TD]£20m[/TD]
[TD]Aon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sunderland[/TD]
[TD]£20m[/TD]
[TD]Invest in Africa[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chelsea[/TD]
[TD]£13.8m[/TD]
[TD]Samsung[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Newcastle[/TD]
[TD]£10m[/TD]
[TD]Virgin Money[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tottenham[/TD]
[TD]£10m[/TD]
[TD]Aurasma (Autonomy)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Aston Villa[/TD]
[TD]£8m[/TD]
[TD]Genting Casinos[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Arsenal[/TD]
[TD]£5.5m[/TD]
[TD]Fly Emirates[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fulham[/TD]
[TD]£4.2m[/TD]
[TD]FxPro[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

We settle for £4m. Indicative...

Everton's Commercial Director must do better...

That's shocking when you put it into comparison like that.
 
toffeedan is right, but only if your happy to be ok-ish.
Ok-ish wasnt the club I fell in love with.
Our current owners are holding us back from returning to the top, it will never happen under Kenwright and co.

I'll clarify Ok-ish - I meant ok-ish with the Accounts/position with creditors - as long as there is an income stream to meet a debt then you are ok-ish - I didn't mean ok-ish from a competitive business (football) situation.

I am an Chartered Management Accountant with a significantly greater interest in the Marketing and Business side rather than creating accounts per se. As far as cashflow and the like are concerned I can speak from the position of running a business that is, almost exclusively, Debt and Credit free - in other words I pay almost all the bills on time and offer no credit facilities to customers. So I needn't be making a profit as long as the cashflow is stable.

I have already given Elstone a major list of opportunities (for free - more fool me eh!) that were ripe for consideration - quite a few have already been actioned such as a massively improved ticketing facility and away games televised at Goodison to name but two.

The correct treatment for player value is to amortise a purchase (and associated costs) over the first contract life. This is why we have managed to survive - by selling Rooney for £27M (purchase price NIL), Arteta (£10M NBV Nil, the original costs having been written down to nil), Rodwell, Lescott at a massive gain etc. At least it covers up some of the deficiencies on the other side (trading etc.) and a lot of this is down to Moyes development of the players enabling us to buy low and selling high.

Coming to the Barrett article mentioned - excellent piece - if only the board have the spine to "risk" the future income stream (a little) to give us a chance of (future success/CL football). I'm guessing it'll be more of the same old same old.
 
A very long post but definately worth the read. (By Tony Barret from The Times)


"As the January transfer window opens and rival clubs start to put their plans for strengthening into action, it would appear as though David Moyes is using the confluence of a number of factors to his advantage as he seeks backing for his burning ambition to take Everton into the Champions League this season.

Not for the first time, an agonising defeat to Chelsea has brought back into focus the all-too-familiar glass ceiling that has kept the Blues from breaking into the Premier League's top four over the last few years: the exit at the hands of Abramovich's millions in the League Cup semi-final in 2008 first prompted the manager to express frustration at Everton's inability to compete on anything approaching a level financial playing field; and the heartbreak at Wembley in the FA Cup Final the following year was similarly illustrative of the crucial gulf in resources between Goodison Park and Stamford Bridge.

Sunday's result at Goodison moved Chelsea five points away in fourth place with a game in hand and while the Blues remain well placed for a shot at Champions League qualification, Moyes knows that his team's hopes could well be scuppered by the lack of depth in his squad.

Now, with his team aiming to be in fifth place and just three points off third place after today's action at St James Park, his personal influence at the Club as strong as it's ever been, and his unsigned contract hanging out there as an increasingly obvious marker that he wants his plans backed, Moyes has asked that the Everton board make some of the estimated £20m increase in TV revenue that will flow into the Club next season available to him now to make a concerted push for the a top-four finish.

Moyes's case is a strong one — he has been able to guide his team to fifth place at the halfway stage of the season despite injury and suspension to key players that have held the Blues back from what many believe would be a higher league placing had his best players been fit more often. Playing arguably the most attractive and effective football of his 10-plus years in charge, Everton have looked top-four class in many ways but have lacked the quality or depth to get the results their form has promised.

The electric Kevin Mirallas has missed the best part of two months now with a hamstring injury. Midfield linchpin, Darron Gibson, was sidelined for almost three months between September and late November and is out for at least another month with a recurrence of his thigh problems. Disruption at right back where Tony Hibbert, Seamus Coleman and Phil Neville have all been on the treatment or operating tables at times this season has necessitated the deployment of Phil Jagielka as an emergency full-back. And a lack of effective striking support for Nikica Jelavic has left the team without a reliable goalscoring threat up front.

Moyes's public refrain regarding the mid-season transfer window has been a familiar one: that there are no funds for any significant player acquisitions and that he will again look to the loan or Bosman market to bring in much-needed reinforcements. Privately, though, he has urged the Club hierarchy to trust in what he has achieved over the past decade on a shoe-string budget and find a way to invest in the team this month.

As Tony Barrett points out in his blog for The Times today, the Club has no real credit facility left with which to borrow the kind of money for which Moyes is asking; the reputed £25m line of credit that Barclays allowed Everton before the global credit crisis in 2008 has long-since been reined in and the Board has since had to rely on a number of revolving mortgages while operating costs outweigh revenue by around £5m a season.

That means that investment in the team would require personal contributions from the Club's majority shareholders which would be a first under the Bill Kenwright regime. It's believed that the Chairman himself has no more money in the club than he used to fund his original purchase of his shares with True Blue Holdings in 2000. Robert Earl has an estimated personal fortune of £240m but, since being drawn to Everton by the Destination Kirkby project six years ago, has not put another penny into the Club and remains a silent and invisible Board member. And though Jon Woods, who sold Ocean Software, the company he co-founded, in the 1980s for £100m, is a devoted, match-going Director, he, too, has kept is personal money to himself rather than invest in the club.

Lord Grantchester, Everton's fourth-largest shareholder and Littlewoods heir to an estimated £1.2bn fortune, has also been reluctant to invest any of his family's fortune into the Club, reputedly due more to a personal detente with Kenwright and, perhaps, a lack of enthusiasm to take a leading role in the Club than any desire to keep his money to himself.

As Barrett points out, the refusal of the Club's directors to personally risk their fortunes on player acquisitions is "wholly reasonable" but, as David Moores did across the Park in 2006, nothing is stopping them from doing what the banks won't — "namely allowing Everton to take out a short-term loan that would be repayable as soon as the club receives its first installment of the new TV deal."

With 10 years of service behind him, an enviable record of stability in the top half of the Premier League, repeat European qualification, an FA Cup Final and now, his team well-positioned among the pack chasing the top four, Moyes seems to be sending a signal to the Club's wealthiest shareholders that he needs them to now show their faith in him in the form of sufficient transfer funds to support his charge for Europe.

The manager clearly senses that the cash bonanza from the new domestic and international television rights deal, coming at a time when Everton are best placed to break into the Champions League, offers a unique opportunity for the Board to put together a package of funds for team strengthening this month.

It could be a pivotal moment in Everton's modern history — how the Board does or doesn't respond might well have a definitive effect not only the team's prospects for this season but, equally importantly, on Moyes's own future at Goodison Park."

Stunning article. Might not get into the finer details but pulls up the board for what we all know they are... ****houses who want an eventual payday from the club
 

Not at all. Don't lump everyone in the same boat. I don't jump because someone tells me to. I want to see facts in black and white and - get this - some kind of alternative put forward before I have a go at anyone at the club. That to me is simple logic.

Has he taken cash out of the club? Give me proof? Has he turned away viable investors/new owners? Tell me more? Has the present board made mistakes? I can answer that myself. Of course they have. All boards of every company do but that alone is not enough to want to throw it all up in the air and hound Bill out when there's no white knight standing in the corner.

I think Kings Dock was the single biggest mistake. I think not investing properly when we were fourth was a massive regret. But sometimes we have to face facts. The stadium is knackered (as much as I love it) and we have next to no corporate base and the city is on its arse. Outside the North West we hardly register with newbie fans beyond those with links to the 80s. We have the RS on our doorstep and all that brings with it. I personally would have hated Kirkby but if it had gone ahead I wouldn't have washed my hands of the club.

I take the point that a lot of how I feel about the team is down to the success of Moyes working miracles. Buy many's a chairman would have sacked him at various points.

And don't dismiss the fact he's a Blue so easily. I for one like that and it means something to me at least.

At the end of the day I'll happily look at any alternative that's properly laid out to take the club forward.

Some people just don't see the woods for the trees (cliche I know), oh well.
 
I think Neiler is almost on the money here IMO.

There is one easy fix and that is a sheik with a pot of money that he aligns to Everton as his plaything, but this is Everton and I don't want us to be a club that is a plaything like Abromovich's chelsea, or the ridiculous shenanigans of Man City even though it would great to watch on a saturday.

I want Everton to be up there with Manchester United / Arsenal in terms of building the brand, developing youth, and building (not buying) a great club like we did in the 80's. I know times have changed.

For us to do this requires a monumental overhaul in almost every direction.

Commercially we have to do everything we can. The TV money is happening already and David Moyes and his success on the pitch is helping us get more appearances hopefully this year and potentially next. New shirt sponsors, merchandising, AND increases in season tickets (even £2m - £3.5m) is needed. Every penny counts.

We do not have a Fayed or a Whelan filling in the gaps in our preferred pursuit for growth, in fact we have no pursuit of growth at all its all about survival, and that i feel our luck is running out. Could you imagine what would happen if we finished 8th with no cup and Moyes leaving. Yes we'd go on but for how long.

I have family who are RS season ticket holders and live in London communicating regularly with spurs, arsenal fans and it is always interesting to hear what else is happening.

I spent a couple of years driving Ellis Short of Sunderland whilst he made his billions so I get the basics of business i think.

When walking the dog in the local park which is next to the football pitches, you see Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea, Liverpool Man Utd shirts that the kids are wearing, but you NEVER ever an Everton shirt.

My cousin who lives in Halewood, tells me that in his whole class of 25 kids, there is one Evertonian - 1 ffs.

We;re having a great season on the pitch so far, but the alarm bells are clearly ringing for the future.

Bill loves the club, he's a fan and he does believe he is the best person for the job, which in the current board of directors from what i understand he probably is the best of a bad bunch. However, i've realised that if i wanted the TV series of Breaking Bad made into a musical, he's the man.

However, do I want my beloved Everton overseen by him and the likes of Elstone who he supports - God no.

What is my suggested solution, assuming a buyer can't be found? - Something to do with the fans.

I'm really worried about our FUTURE.
 
I think Neiler is almost on the money here IMO.

There is one easy fix and that is a sheik with a pot of money that he aligns to Everton as his plaything, but this is Everton and I don't want us to be a club that is a plaything like Abromovich's chelsea, or the ridiculous shenanigans of Man City even though it would great to watch on a saturday.

I want Everton to be up there with Manchester United / Arsenal in terms of building the brand, developing youth, and building (not buying) a great club like we did in the 80's. I know times have changed.

For us to do this requires a monumental overhaul in almost every direction.

Commercially we have to do everything we can. The TV money is happening already and David Moyes and his success on the pitch is helping us get more appearances hopefully this year and potentially next. New shirt sponsors, merchandising, AND increases in season tickets (even £2m - £3.5m) is needed. Every penny counts.

We do not have a Fayed or a Whelan filling in the gaps in our preferred pursuit for growth, in fact we have no pursuit of growth at all its all about survival, and that i feel our luck is running out. Could you imagine what would happen if we finished 8th with no cup and Moyes leaving. Yes we'd go on but for how long.

I have family who are RS season ticket holders and live in London communicating regularly with spurs, arsenal fans and it is always interesting to hear what else is happening.

I spent a couple of years driving Ellis Short of Sunderland whilst he made his billions so I get the basics of business i think.

When walking the dog in the local park which is next to the football pitches, you see Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea, Liverpool Man Utd shirts that the kids are wearing, but you NEVER ever an Everton shirt.

My cousin who lives in Halewood, tells me that in his whole class of 25 kids, there is one Evertonian - 1 ffs.

We;re having a great season on the pitch so far, but the alarm bells are clearly ringing for the future.

Bill loves the club, he's a fan and he does believe he is the best person for the job, which in the current board of directors from what i understand he probably is the best of a bad bunch. However, i've realised that if i wanted the TV series of Breaking Bad made into a musical, he's the man.

However, do I want my beloved Everton overseen by him and the likes of Elstone who he supports - God no.

What is my suggested solution, assuming a buyer can't be found? - Something to do with the fans.

I'm really worried about our FUTURE.

The asking price banded about shows that he has no intention of doing right by the club unless it results in a nice profit for himself and the other shareholders.
 
The asking price banded about shows that he has no intention of doing right by the club unless it results in a nice profit for himself and the other shareholders.

When i first read about the alleged asking price when I joined the forum, i thought you were all mad, that this couldn't be true, but it does seem to be the case.

Well BK better wise up and fast, because even if we have a great year this season (and i do hope we do), it doesn't change the facts that our ground has still not improved (and never will), our debt hasn't changed, our wage bill has increased considerably, our commercial activities have remained stagnant, which may leave us with (if we're lucky) our loss may just stick at £9m, which is going to reduce even more the possibility of the board getting their asking price meaning they will lose money.

On another note, it pisses me off when smaller companies source "cost reduction" companies in. They are not charity organisations. They charge and if successful, all they prove is that the current operational management people are wholly incompetent.

I have considerable exposure to these Facilities Management, Cost Reduction organisations (the majority of them are my companies clients, and I can tell you from considerable personal experience, they can be a waste of time (FM companies can make a difference if any (Print, HR, Administration processes etc).

Everton may be a big football club, buts its not a big company as such. How much toilet roll, stationery, print services, etc do they actually buy?

I'm on a proper rant evening - apologies lads and ladettes.
 
I think Neiler is almost on the money here IMO.

There is one easy fix and that is a sheik with a pot of money that he aligns to Everton as his plaything, but this is Everton and I don't want us to be a club that is a plaything like Abromovich's chelsea, or the ridiculous shenanigans of Man City even though it would great to watch on a saturday.

I want Everton to be up there with Manchester United / Arsenal in terms of building the brand, developing youth, and building (not buying) a great club like we did in the 80's. I know times have changed.

For us to do this requires a monumental overhaul in almost every direction.

Commercially we have to do everything we can. The TV money is happening already and David Moyes and his success on the pitch is helping us get more appearances hopefully this year and potentially next. New shirt sponsors, merchandising, AND increases in season tickets (even £2m - £3.5m) is needed. Every penny counts.

We do not have a Fayed or a Whelan filling in the gaps in our preferred pursuit for growth, in fact we have no pursuit of growth at all its all about survival, and that i feel our luck is running out. Could you imagine what would happen if we finished 8th with no cup and Moyes leaving. Yes we'd go on but for how long.

I have family who are RS season ticket holders and live in London communicating regularly with spurs, arsenal fans and it is always interesting to hear what else is happening.

I spent a couple of years driving Ellis Short of Sunderland whilst he made his billions so I get the basics of business i think.

When walking the dog in the local park which is next to the football pitches, you see Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea, Liverpool Man Utd shirts that the kids are wearing, but you NEVER ever an Everton shirt.

My cousin who lives in Halewood, tells me that in his whole class of 25 kids, there is one Evertonian - 1 ffs.

We;re having a great season on the pitch so far, but the alarm bells are clearly ringing for the future.

Bill loves the club, he's a fan and he does believe he is the best person for the job, which in the current board of directors from what i understand he probably is the best of a bad bunch. However, i've realised that if i wanted the TV series of Breaking Bad made into a musical, he's the man.

However, do I want my beloved Everton overseen by him and the likes of Elstone who he supports - God no.

What is my suggested solution, assuming a buyer can't be found? - Something to do with the fans.

I'm really worried about our FUTURE.

The future's bright, the future's kenwright.....

I think orange dropped that years ago to be fair. (For the pedantic's, I thought it was a good slogan.)
 

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