Match Thread Everton 2-2 Man United. Sat Feb 22nd. 12.30.

[Rich1878]

Yip
Bad
And quite prophetic from @Rich1878 and @canuckblue

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It becomes a sad affair when we can actually sort of predict what will happen. Football is dying right in front of our eyes

 

[NathDogg]

Yup, still absolutely fuming.

I’m sure Dermot will help me to calm down…..

 

[Vintage]

Yup, still absolutely fuming.

I’m sure Dermot will help me to calm down…..

This will be you very shortly mate

 

[NathDogg]

This will be you very shortly mate

No doubt.

The script writers for this ref watch nonsense deserve BAFTAs for comedy.

 

[IV(AC)]

I'm fuming about a lot of things right now but that VAR decision was criminal

 

[Roger Milla]

We had no options on the bench

We have about 13 fit senior outfield players

I've already answered this. We certainly had other options. Not everything has to be 'like for like'.

We could have went 3 in midfield and put Alcaraz on the wing. And putting Dixon in that hybrid RWB hyrid role we have going on would have been a better option.

To say Young was the only and best option is ridiculous, especially after the last 10 mins Spurs.

 

[mightymoyes]

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Sue Smith accusing the PL and refs of looking at ways of cancelling goals being shot down quickly, as if they sky were told

 

[GN!]

This will be you very shortly mate

You’re tearing me apart VAR

 

[Timbucktoo]

Just saw the ref watch on sky and Gallagher says "The ref has said to VAR he's given a penalty because he thinks Maguire has pulled his shirt. The VAR has looked and said no." But the VAR must have seen that it was the other fella that pulled the shirt? So we lose on on the penalty cause the ref told VAR that Maguire pulled Young`s shirt and VAR have correct him by saying Maguire did not pull his shirt, and fail to mention it was De Ligt! Pure comedy.

 

[Toffeelover]

Just saw the ref watch on sky and Gallagher says "The ref has said to VAR he's given a penalty because he thinks Maguire has pulled his shirt. The VAR has looked and said no." But the VAR must have seen that it was the other fella that pulled the shirt? So we lose on on the penalty cause the ref told VAR that Maguire pulled Young`s shirt and VAR have correct him by saying Maguire did not pull his shirt, and fail to mention it was De Ligt! Pure comedy.

I am not laughing though.

 

[MikeyMike]

Just saw the ref watch on sky and Gallagher says "The ref has said to VAR he's given a penalty because he thinks Maguire has pulled his shirt. The VAR has looked and said no." But the VAR must have seen that it was the other fella that pulled the shirt? So we lose on on the penalty cause the ref told VAR that Maguire pulled Young`s shirt and VAR have correct him by saying Maguire did not pull his shirt, and fail to mention it was De Ligt! Pure comedy.

So if a ref asks to look at one thing, VAR can't look at another thing? What did the ref ask VAR to look at for Beto's goal, cos they seemed to be checking about six different things? Anyway, it seems that VAR did look at De Ligt's tug and didn't think it was enough for a pen, so they didn't over-rule the ref who had missed it!

In a nutshell, VAR was dreamt up to annoy fans in the ground, while creating even more controversy for the telly audience and pundits. It needs to go, except for goal line technology, and automated offside. Forget the handball stuff, let the refs decide in real time like they used to.

 

[Timbucktoo]

So if a ref asks to look at one thing, VAR can't look at another thing? What did the ref ask VAR to look at for Beto's goal, cos they seemed to be checking about six different things? Anyway, it seems that VAR did look at De Ligt's tug and didn't think it was enough for a pen, so they didn't over-rule the ref who had missed it!

In a nutshell, VAR was dreamt up to annoy fans in the ground, while creating even more controversy for the telly audience and pundits. It needs to go, except for goal line technology, and automated offside. Forget the handball stuff, let the refs decide in real time like they used to.

From what Gallagher said though the ref told the VAR he gave the pen of Maguire`s shirt pull, VAR looked and said he did n`t pull the shirt. All VAR needed to say was there`s a shirt pull by De Ligt not Maguire, and it seems they repeatedly showed a clip that hid the shirt pull to the ref.

 

[Timbucktoo]

I am not laughing though.

You and the rest of us are n`t but you can be sure there`s plenty of Mancs that are.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Look I'm going to have a view here that's probably different than everyone, but it needs to be said

I hate all the embellishment/diving that occurs today in all sports, not least of which is in football, which probably has the worst actors of them all

So, coming from that perspective wholistically, I can see VAR overturning this one. We can debate the merits of "if this wasn't Everton, it wouldn't have changed" etc, etc, but it's my opinion I want to see less of what Young did, because big picture it'll make the game better. If I saw a guy embellish that contact against us and a penalty was given in the 90th minute, I'd be fuming.

On this particular circumstance, two things can be true. 1) It's entirely possible that the sum total of what occurred was enough to be a penalty. It was close. The only guy that knows for sure if he was truly impeded vs dove is Young. and 2) the contact on Young didn't warrant how he fell/how he flopped.

I'd have liked to see him try to get to the ball rather than focus on winning a penalty.