Woolly Blue
Player Valuation: £80m
Good post lad. Silverware is silver, trophyless since 95 brasses me off.
I'd prefer the FA Cup or the Premiership, but I'd happily take the League Cup or the Europa League.
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Good post lad. Silverware is silver, trophyless since 95 brasses me off.
I'd prefer the FA Cup or the Premiership, but I'd happily take the League Cup or the Europa League.
Waddy
Player Valuation: £6m
If you win the CL its like 30m and to win the Europa its 8m.
To be honest, a prem club with all the expense involved with flights, extra wages for staff working more hours, extra money to pay the police, transport and the hundreds of others involved with putting on a Thursday night game home and away, teams would probably actually lose money! I have no idea why its so little, I mean seriously, make it worth while and people will play for the Europa as much as they do the CL.
http://news.sky.com/story/993704/uefa-look-to-managers-to-talk-up-europa-league
Of course we would get extra ticket money and maybe TV money, but I cannot see C5 paying much. It would effect our league games and would need a bigger squad to compete, its just not worth it.
To be honest, a prem club with all the expense involved with flights, extra wages for staff working more hours, extra money to pay the police, transport and the hundreds of others involved with putting on a Thursday night game home and away, teams would probably actually lose money! I have no idea why its so little, I mean seriously, make it worth while and people will play for the Europa as much as they do the CL.
http://news.sky.com/story/993704/uefa-look-to-managers-to-talk-up-europa-league
Of course we would get extra ticket money and maybe TV money, but I cannot see C5 paying much. It would effect our league games and would need a bigger squad to compete, its just not worth it.
Banhart
Player Valuation: £500k
I hate when people call it a mickey mouse cup, it's not, it's a cup ffs. The only cup my team have won whilst I've been alive is the 95 FA Cup, I can barely remember it because I was too young...
Players want to play in Europe and it annoys me when so called 'fans' don't want us to win a cup because 'it was a crap competition anyway', I'd celebrate regardless it be premier league, fa cup, europa, league cup, silverware matters to players aswell as fans, people remember the winners not the runner ups, or the taking parts.
If Spurs don't make it back into the CL in the next 3-5 years they'll soon be forgotten in the hierarchy of bigger European team fan bases, so it generally does provide a bit of a quick fix regarding cash and sponsorship deals. Companies want their representatives to generally stand out in the pack, which is why people like Chelsea have Samsung on their shirts and we have Chang....
It just annoys me when you used to see Villa, completely dismiss the Europa and not bother with it when they were trying to push for 4th, same with Spurs (not as much now), getting experience in Europe will only benefit the team if we finally make that final hurdle for the CL. Everybody's also forgetting Moyes doesn't have that much experience in Europe himself so it'd benefit us hugely if he had those few seasons of getting used to it, I mean playing someone like Norwich is vastly different to playing someone like Lille. It'll benefit our standard of play so we're more used to playing vs a higher standard of opposition. Obviously we can chance it with playing a younger/reserve player looking side when we're playing like the champions of like Moldova or something.....
The squad we have should've really been playing like this a long time ago.... Even before we had Jelly and Kevin... It feels like we're trying to look for something that's been lost for ages.
Bit of a ramble... Sorry....
edit: Like when you saw Fulhams run in it did kinda make you feel like 'Why can't we do that?', obviously it didn't help their league form but it's building up to be able to cope with that kind of schedule will help us in the long run really, it's just a bit annoying our team hasn't really lived up to the expectations a lot of us thought it was capable of...
Players want to play in Europe and it annoys me when so called 'fans' don't want us to win a cup because 'it was a crap competition anyway', I'd celebrate regardless it be premier league, fa cup, europa, league cup, silverware matters to players aswell as fans, people remember the winners not the runner ups, or the taking parts.
If Spurs don't make it back into the CL in the next 3-5 years they'll soon be forgotten in the hierarchy of bigger European team fan bases, so it generally does provide a bit of a quick fix regarding cash and sponsorship deals. Companies want their representatives to generally stand out in the pack, which is why people like Chelsea have Samsung on their shirts and we have Chang....
It just annoys me when you used to see Villa, completely dismiss the Europa and not bother with it when they were trying to push for 4th, same with Spurs (not as much now), getting experience in Europe will only benefit the team if we finally make that final hurdle for the CL. Everybody's also forgetting Moyes doesn't have that much experience in Europe himself so it'd benefit us hugely if he had those few seasons of getting used to it, I mean playing someone like Norwich is vastly different to playing someone like Lille. It'll benefit our standard of play so we're more used to playing vs a higher standard of opposition. Obviously we can chance it with playing a younger/reserve player looking side when we're playing like the champions of like Moldova or something.....
The squad we have should've really been playing like this a long time ago.... Even before we had Jelly and Kevin... It feels like we're trying to look for something that's been lost for ages.
Bit of a ramble... Sorry....
edit: Like when you saw Fulhams run in it did kinda make you feel like 'Why can't we do that?', obviously it didn't help their league form but it's building up to be able to cope with that kind of schedule will help us in the long run really, it's just a bit annoying our team hasn't really lived up to the expectations a lot of us thought it was capable of...
Stan Lee Park
Player Valuation: £20m
Can't see why we should do anything other than try to win every competition we enter. We should always field our strongest team, whatever the opposition and whatever the competition.
Resting players is fine when we are three nil up - until then we should avoid another fiasco like Leeds by going all out to win and forget all this bollocks about players getting tired or risking injury. Having a fully-fit first team that's been knocked out of the most straightforward competition we could enter (Capital One Cup) is a Pyrrhic victory.
just one problem with that we work harder then any other team in the prem and this comes at a cost as we can only preform at the highest level for about half a season.
you apply the work rate of an average premier league side to our side and we would be mid table, this is why its vital moyes stays on here and signs a new deal.
Under a new manager with the same squad we would be ****.
Stan Lee Park
Player Valuation: £20m
Agree with you up to a point, although several other Premier League teams night argue that they have a very high work rate (Man U, Newcastle, Stoke, West Brom, Wigan to name a few). I think we are playing a different style of football this season which doesn't rely as much on work rate as it has with most of Moyes' teams.
Don't know about a new manager not doing as well with the same squad as it would depend on who the new manager was - not likely to be put to the test in the next five years anyway.
My real point was that players playing in winning teams don't seem to get as tired as those playing in losing teams. And at the risk of sounding like an old git (which I am) then I think any fully-fit professional footballer should be capable of playing two competitive games a week. Hence my assertion that the best available team should be picked for every game in every competition, otherwise what's the point of being in that competition.
This makes no sense.
They're elite level athletes, they play one or two 90 minute football matches every seven days. Why can that only last for half a season ?
And if that's true, how on earth do the top players in teams above us play more matches than us all season long and then go and play international football at the same level ?
I don't buy it. They get the same rest as other players, it's not like they're exhausting themselves and suffering from extreme fatigue.
Fazakerley Fan
Player Valuation: £750k
Anyone remember Fulham losing narrowly in the final acouple years ago? Maybe we could emulate that. and win
toffeejack
Player Valuation: £100m
bloody middlesborough got to a final as well, it's definitely achievable because anything can happen in football. the fact of the matter is, if we're in europe next season with moyes at the helm he won't be playing a totally 2nds team ala newcastle. the BATE game was different because we'd already qualified. if it's a weak group then of course i'm all for playing a team similar to the leeds game because we should still realistically win them games
Summerskin
Player Valuation: £35m
Don't forget Birmingham, Wigan, Millwall, Portsmouth & Cardiff, off the top of my head.
Cup finals are achievable if you put some f*cking effort in (see Dalglish taking the CC seriously last year), we should be the Europa League with this squad and our current form and we should take it as close to the end as possible.
Bad joke how averse Moyes is to winning trophies.
so beckford was an elite level athlete, moyes got 10 goals out of him in one season and now he plays for huddersfield and isnt exactly setting the world alight
better teams have more quality. we dont have that much quality and have to make up for it by working 110%. we cant win games by playing bad like united and other top teams can.
If a new manager comes in at the end of the season the workrate would drop, and we would plummet down the table
dont think we could fluke that many games, moyes usually bottles it against any big oppenents, against teams like sporting and benfica away we never even put up a fight, parked the bus and hoped for the best.
toffeejack
Player Valuation: £100m
they beat juve 4-1, not sure how you can fluke that
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