Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Toffeelover]

When 27 are 1 it's clearly the priority.

Could be but what ever the commissioners decide has to go before the 27 before it is accepted. I believe the UsA has been negotiating it's TTIP for several years.

 

[pornpimol2]

I have been chatting to one of my E.U. friends ( english is not her 1st language )



Is it more nice to have sex with a shaved women
What is your opinion

i send you buddist chants and you ask this,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hhahahaha i love you
VIVA EU


Tell me please I want to know what men prefer

Or doesn't it matter

Chat Conversation End

 

[pornpimol2]

i dont know

what do you like
Don't know

Sometime it feels good to be shafed

hahaha
But it's bad work to shave that part

i dont know
Do men shave too

I'm stupid I don't know

some do
I've been in sauna but I don't remember

Hahaha what a night talk

But I really want to know

And it wasn't a joke

i dont know

 

[sageyefc]

 

[pornpimol2]

i was chatting to a German woman, a friend of mine and i have no idea.

 

[Old Blue 2]

We need to stop this madness before its too late. Deceit, lies and the tory elite playing games with our future. Quite sickening.

What madness is it you are talking about...?

 

[pornpimol2]

 

[Caolam]

I remember the good old days of the expenses scandal when we thought politicians were just thieves, the referendum has shown them to be much worse.

 

[degsy]

Actually yes parliament can in effect ignore the referendum result.
It would need a vote in the Commons and if the remain side won that, then legitimately, the government could say we stay.
There could and potentially would be total uproar, but that as I understand it could happen.

Now if it did, it begs the question whether Cameron would backtrack on his resignation?

What a mess !!

Indeed; Talk about painting yourself into a corner. Trouble is nobody has the guts to potentially ruin their Political shoes ( no doubt very expensive hand made ) by walking over the paint to get out of it.

 

[bizzaro]

As an aside, I was thinking about TTIP today as that was a widely touted argument amongst the leave side. On the one hand, you have Britain as arguably the most pro-free market nation in the EU, so if anything it was the other EU countries that were holding back the whole process. Then you have the lengthy process of actually constructing such deals, and the urgency with which the UK will need to strike new deals when we move.

It seems likely therefore that we will attempt to strike our own version of TTIP as soon as possible, with the deal either practically identical to the existing one, or possibly even more in favour of the private sector.

I'm seeing Juncker's cronies are trying to say the law says Britain must leave first. Then negotiations start. Negotiations can't start with an existing EU member until then.

Due to EU law.

This is a lie. It's purely positioning for leverage over UK. Lies from the Juncker federalists.


All EU law comes from the treaties. The treaties say no such thing.

The treaties are the law. Anything else is just the commission under Juncker trying to be difficult. To 'punish' the UK.

Merkel will see off Juncker. Mark my words.

 

[bizzaro]

Actually yes parliament can in effect ignore the referendum result.
It would need a vote in the Commons and if the remain side won that, then legitimately, the government could say we stay.
There could and potentially would be total uproar, but that as I understand it could happen.

Now if it did, it begs the question whether Cameron would backtrack on his resignation?

What a mess !!

There's an argument that parliament needs to pass an act of parliament before invoking article 50.

To do that requires a parliamentary majority.

That may not happen even.

Then the Queen could use royal perogative to refuse it also if the margin in the vote was narrow and theres extreme disagreement with parliament and the country as a whole.

Plus an act presented to her that would damage the country.

That wouldn't trigger a constitutional crises.

That would be the actual British constitution actually working.

It would likely trigger a general election.

Rather than a new referendum.

This is why Westminster is acting like it is. Labour party in civil war and blood on the floor in the Tories.

SNP scrambling around trying to get advantage.

Liberal Democrats. Being rather disciplined. One to watch....


All the above is in my view triggering what's going on.

 

[everton2004]

Watching Wimbledon......those bloody eastern european female tennis players. Coming over here, with their skimpy dresses.....

 

[Lee Smith]

If anybody wants a good listen to a discussion about the referendum result then can I suggest the latest podcast from "Skeptics With A K" (episode 176), which was uploaded to iTunes yesterday. It will possibly be of interest to a lot of you guys as it's produced by the Merseyside Skeptics Society, and whilst I'm not from Liverpool myself I've been a huge fan of their work for years.

Although the hosts are "Remainers", they go into great detail on both sides of the campaigns, highlighting the facts and untruths of both camps, and where they think the Remain camp ballsed up. They try and be as balanced as possible, and although I found them biased towards the benefits of the Remain side, even as a Leave voter myself I found it an enjoyable listen.

 

[peteblue]

Sadly doesn't work that way. It's a matter of time, resources and, significantly, red tape. As Obama correctly said, the priority will go on negotiating with 27 states instead of 1; Britain goes to the back of the queue, and any discussions on a trade deal won't even start until we leave two years after activating Article 50.

Even being 100% optimistic, you're looking at 6 to 8 years from now for a formal trade deal with the USA, probably longer, and more again for China. We'll be on WTO rules in the interim.

There is already political pressure in the USA to negotiate with the UK in parallel with the EU, and that doesn't even take into account what would happen if Trump got in......

 

[Toffeelover]

I'm seeing Juncker's cronies are trying to say the law says Britain must leave first. Then negotiations start. Negotiations can't start with an existing EU member until then.

Due to EU law.

This is a lie. It's purely positioning for leverage over UK. Lies from the Juncker federalists.


All EU law comes from the treaties. The treaties say no such thing.

The treaties are the law. Anything else is just the commission under Juncker trying to be difficult. To 'punish' the UK.

Merkel will see off Juncker. Mark my words.

But has not Merkel also endorsed for there to be any sort of deal we ahve to accept free movement of people.

As for JUncker, he has always been Anti British, we did not vote for him, accussed him of being a drunk (well almost) and his origins of a piffling little Duchy which is a tax haven.