Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

It utterly baffles me that people still bleat on about Tory cuts. They're spending more than Labour. And it's not a good thing. Debt is real. It's not a mythical thing. We need to keep it down, and shock horror, actually pay some of it back. It has to stay at sustainable levels. It's still far too high.

It's all about the level of borrowing, which is coming down. There has been no austerity, which has been made up by the left wing press, there is just the ongoing overspending that is gradually reducing. Gordon Brown screwed this country big time........

 

[The Esk]

It's all about the level of borrowing, which is coming down.

Please explain how the level of borrowing is coming down when we still run an annual deficit and will do so well beyond the next election.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

It's all about the level of borrowing, which is coming down. There has been no austerity, which has been made up by the left wing press, there is just the ongoing overspending that is gradually reducing. Gordon Brown screwed this country big time........

Would you have preferred his inaction and its consequences Pete?

 

[wikofootball]

#brexitshambles sums everything should never have been voted on imo

 

[peteblue]

Please explain how the level of borrowing is coming down when we still run an annual deficit and will do so well beyond the next election.

The deficit is based upon committed spend, contracts, people recruited , committed expenditure, which follows on from what Brown put in place. The 'austerity' is based upon the various reductions brought in since. The committed spend obviously goes up because it has been committed. The borrowing is reducing because the government is getting a grip and reducing the previous commitments. When the borrowing finally disappears then the overall debt and deficits will reduce. Surely you understand this Esk......It normally takes one or two conservative governments to get rid of the previous Labour overspend........

 

[peteblue]

Would you have preferred his inaction and its consequences Pete?

I would have preferred that he was strung up by his goolies and shot......

 

[The Esk]

The deficit is based upon committed spend, contracts, people recruited , committed expenditure, which follows on from what Brown put in place. The 'austerity' is based upon the various reductions brought in since. The committed spend obviously goes up because it has been committed. The borrowing is reducing because the government is getting a grip and reducing the previous commitments. When the borrowing finally disappears then the overall debt and deficits will reduce. Surely you understand this Esk......It normally takes one or two conservative governments to get rid of the previous Labour overspend........

Whilst the Government is spending more than it earns the deficit grows.

This is because revenues are too low, not expenditure too high.

Robust tax collection and proper corporate tax laws would resolve many of the Government's structural problems. Meanwhile Brexit is starting to deliver what we all warned about.

 

[peteblue]

Whilst the Government is spending more than it earns the deficit grows.

This is because revenues are too low, not expenditure too high.

Robust tax collection and proper corporate tax laws would resolve many of the Government's structural problems. Meanwhile Brexit is starting to deliver what we all warned about.

Oh come on Esk. Either we spend or we don't, either we tax or we don't. So are you suggesting that we raise tax or that we lower spend, which is it. Brexit can't be blamed for the crap we are currently in, Gordon Brown can but not Brexit, which is only 5 months old.....

 

[Tubey]

Oh come on Esk. Either we spend or we don't, either we tax or we don't. So are you suggesting that we raise tax or that we lower spend, which is it. Brexit can't be blamed for the crap we are currently in, Gordon Brown can but not Brexit, which is only 5 months old.....

Not currently in; will be in. It's not 5 months old yet; it hasn't even been born.

That black hole in the budget is the tip of the iceberg - that's just a conservative guess at the budgetary need to cover Brexit. It'd be an actual miracle if that's the end of it.

You can be in favour of Brexit and acknowledge it's obviously going to be an economic disaster you know. It's not a sign of weakness; it's just acknowledging the obvious. Why not be honest and just say that the economy played no role in your thinking on Brexit whatsoever, as no reasonable person could look at it and say we'd be better off outside the EU, at the very least in the short to medium term.

 

[The Esk]

Oh come on Esk. Either we spend or we don't, either we tax or we don't. So are you suggesting that we raise tax or that we lower spend, which is it. Brexit can't be blamed for the crap we are currently in, Gordon Brown can but not Brexit, which is only 5 months old.....

By the end of this Government the Conservatives will have borrowed nearly as much in 10 years as Britain had borrowed throughout its prior history.

At the same time it has decimated social services, mental health care, reduced the effectiveness of the NHS and reduced incomes of the most needy, all whilst providing tax cuts to the wealthiest and cuts in corporation tax.

How a government spends its revenues is a matter of choice. Austerity was a choice, it has failed the poorest and is failing the country as a whole.

And then we can get onto Brexit.

 

[peteblue]

Not currently in; will be in. It's not 5 months old yet; it hasn't even been born.

That black hole in the budget is the tip of the iceberg - that's just a conservative guess at the budgetary need to cover Brexit. It'd be an actual miracle if that's the end of it.

You can be in favour of Brexit and acknowledge it's obviously going to be an economic disaster you know. It's not a sign of weakness; it's just acknowledging the obvious. Why not be honest and just say that the economy played no role in your thinking on Brexit whatsoever, as no reasonable person could look at it and say we'd be better off outside the EU, at the very least in the short to medium term.

If you check, you will find that I've said all along that monetary considerations played no part in my vote.

I'm more than happy to take a short term hit, before our future growth....

My driving force is regards democracy, Britain being ruled by ourselves, laws being enacted for our benefit, and UK citizens deciding who actually determines our future........

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

I would have preferred that he was strung up by his goolies and shot......

Yeah mate that would have saved hundreds of thousands if not millions of people's homes, livelihoods and savings.

At least it didn't take six or so years to come up with that constructive criticism.

 

[peteblue]

By the end of this Government the Conservatives will have borrowed nearly as much in 10 years as Britain had borrowed throughout its prior history.

At the same time it has decimated social service, mental health care, reduced the effectiveness of the NHS and reduced incomes of the most needy, all whilst providing tax cuts to the wealthiest and cuts in corporation tax.

How a government spends its revenues is a matter of choice. Austerity was a choice, it has failed the poorest and is failing the country as a whole.

And then we can get onto Brexit.

The borrowed money is to cover the committed expenditure of Gordon Brown.

No services have been decimated. Some have been reduced. The effectiveness of the NHS is in the hands of the NHS management and it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise. The most needy happen to be pensioners and their income has not been reduced. I make no comment about cuts in taxation to those who can afford to live in London.

Austerity is a word not an actual occurrence. If it was then there would be no deficit but a great deal of people living on the streets.

Brexit is currently an irrelevance within the debate upon debt......

 

[peteblue]

Yeah mate that would have saved hundreds of thousands if not millions of people's homes, livelihoods and savings.

At least it didn't take six or so years to come up with that constructive criticism.

I normally give you leeway due to your youth, but on this point you have not a clue what he did. You can continue to argue the point as you normally do, but believe me you will lose......

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

I normally give you leeway due to your youth, but on this point you have not a clue what he did. You can continue to argue the point as you normally do, but believe me you will lose......

Sorry mate, I'm not doing this to win, but 'I'm not going to offer an answer but instead talking about stringing the fella up' is hardly logical brilliance.

And please cut the yada yada 'leeway because of your youth', 'he's young, when I was young I used to think I was always right' blather if you think it is in some way assisting me or doing me favours. I would prefer if you put forward a contrary argument with some evidence rather than you strangely hiding behind my age.

It's becoming a strange obsession that nobody else seems to have.