Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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peteblue said:
No we wouldn’t. Germany and France would have put the same pressure on us to be ‘good Europeans’ and let the EU sort it, and we like everyone else would have done so. We would now have dispensed about 5 million jabs instead of the near 20 million that we have. You can defend the EU on many things I imagine and criticise the U.K. for all sorts, but in respect of the vaccines the U.K. nailed it and the EU showed itself up for the slow moving bully some of us knew it was.........
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That does presume that we have no influence on the operations of the EU though Pete, which is patently nonsense. They are worse off for our absence, and so too are we for their absence. It's no coincidence that the scientific community are such ardent remainers. They get that we're much better off when we work together.
 
JimmyJeffers said:
Personally finding this vaccine nationalism to be particularly disappointing
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It is great that so many people have been vaccinated in the U.K. and all parties concerned deserve credit for managing the logistics so far. I agree though that the nationalism , look at us we’re winning,is petty and pointless. It’s as if the global aspects of how we live and work in reality are completely ignored because we have left the EU. It is in our benefit to see all countries inside and outside the EU with a successful vaccination programme so that the global trade that leavers insist is ready and waiting can return properly. Better that than the usual interminable little Englander points scoring that the usual suspects both peddle continuously and pretend disdain of.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
That does presume that we have no influence on the operations of the EU though Pete, which is patently nonsense. They are worse off for our absence, and so too are we for their absence. It's no coincidence that the scientific community are such ardent remainers. They get that we're much better off when we work together.
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So it’s now our fault that the Eu cocked up the vaccines because our remainer scientists and our remainer politicians weren’t there to advise them......ok....
 
Bruce Wayne said:
That does presume that we have no influence on the operations of the EU though Pete, which is patently nonsense. They are worse off for our absence, and so too are we for their absence. It's no coincidence that the scientific community are such ardent remainers. They get that we're much better off when we work together.
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To say that the UK & Europe can't work together on scientific issues (along with military & criminality issues) just because we are no longer part of the EU economic trading block is total nonsense. It sounds like the entrenched view of someone who doesn't wish to work together and has a hardened and entrenched view on the matter simply because he doesn't agree with it. Take off the blinkers.
 
peteblue said:
So it’s now our fault that the Eu cocked up the vaccines because our remainer scientists and our remainer politicians weren’t there to advise them......ok....
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We had a positive influence on the EU over the years, and I'm sure would have continued to do so. Having said that, I kind of suspect that had Germany or France or the Netherlands acted independently they might have achieved similar results to us, but the point of the EU is that it tries to look after all members, not just have a dog-eat-dog where the strong look after themselves and the poorer nations are forced to feed off of scraps. I think that's an admirable goal, but it has unfortunately contributed to vaccinations across Europe being glacier speed.
 
PaulPowersTash said:
To say that the UK & Europe can't work together on scientific issues (along with military & criminality issues) just because we are no longer part of the EU economic trading block is total nonsense. It sounds like the entrenched view of someone who doesn't wish to work together and has a hardened and entrenched view on the matter simply because he doesn't agree with it. Take off the blinkers.
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I work with the EU right now :oops:
 
Bruce Wayne said:
We had a positive influence on the EU over the years, and I'm sure would have continued to do so. Having said that, I kind of suspect that had Germany or France or the Netherlands acted independently they might have achieved similar results to us, but the point of the EU is that it tries to look after all members, not just have a dog-eat-dog where the strong look after themselves and the poorer nations are forced to feed off of scraps. I think that's an admirable goal, but it has unfortunately contributed to vaccinations across Europe being glacier speed.
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I heard a stat the other day that 70% of the worlds vaccination has taken place in the top 50 wealthiest countries.

The remaining vaccination across the other countries accounts for something like 0.1% of the population.

Aside from the humanitarian implications of that, it's not helpful in dealing with a virus that thrives on mutation.
 
Jebus_lives said:
I heard a stat the other day that 70% of the worlds vaccination has taken place in the top 50 wealthiest countries.

The remaining vaccination across the other countries accounts for something like 0.1% of the population.

Aside from the humanitarian implications of that, it's not helpful in dealing with a virus that thrives on mutation.
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And you can kinda understand how for the EU an attitude of "you can have it when we're done in Germany..." wouldn't really be viable. That's not to say that huge mistakes weren't made, of course.
 
Jebus_lives said:
I heard a stat the other day that 70% of the worlds vaccination has taken place in the top 50 wealthiest countries.

The remaining vaccination across the other countries accounts for something like 0.1% of the population.

Aside from the humanitarian implications of that, it's not helpful in dealing with a virus that thrives on mutation.
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Doesn’t matter. We’re beating the EU. Something remainers, something bullies.
 
Alan Whittle said:
Doesn’t matter. We’re beating the EU. Something remainers, something bullies.
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Something a bit petty and decietful about a cross border solution to a global pandemic being heralded as a triumph of British development and ingenuity...

We similarly gained great advantage, from extraordinary power granted to the executive, who while on one hand prepared the UK well for mass vaccination (I'll caveat that by saying we had no other workable strategy but to vaccinate our way out of a hole of our own creation), on the other used those powers to circumvent proper public procurement processes.
 
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