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I don't have the knowledge of different businesses to say if they will benefit.
And I'm not giving a shining endorsement of brexit. But what do you do. Keep posting stuff about hold ups, paperwork etc. Which may only be short term stuff. If things do go wrong it may give the opportunity for a pro EU party maybe labour to have a manifesto offering a new vote. Maybe the only chance Starmer and labour might have of getting elected tbh.
On BBC local news chairman of Lancashire chamber of commerce says Lancashire has the 4th biggest aerospace industry in the world and that brexit may be of benefit and offers opportunities for expansion. She probably knows better than me!
My last posts, of substance, before the one highlighting your wishful thinking, were:

This. Hardly a criticism of Brexit. In fact it's a challenge to the 'its all Brexits fault'
It seems a lot of the current news stories aren't things that are direct consequences of Brexit but a failure to adequately prepare:

Ex pats in Spain
Shortages of veg
Border checks

Seems to be a adjustment to new rules and regulations which should iron itself out.

This challenging someone triumphantly declaring a 'win' for Brexit about something demonstrably worse than we previously had (no need to wait and see on this one anymore).
Funny how it covering fewer countries that it previously did is being ignored...

'We've got what we had before, it's just not quite as good - in your face remainers' is the new standard apparently

This clearing up your lack of knowledge about the gap in coverage between the EHIC and GHIC
Not EU but the non EU Schengen area countries. They are included as part of the EHIC but not the GHIC.

Switzerland, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein.

Around 1m UK tourists to Switzerland each year, 600,000 to Norway.
And this, specifically stating that things aren't necessarily always pitched at a side.
Not everything posted has to have a 'side' attached to it.

There are things that people post for information and comment. To further/prompt the debate - it's not always loaded.

What about those posts is about 'hold-ups and paperwork'? Or in fact 'negative'?

Perhaps you could change the record; moaning about 'people posting links' and simply saying 'ive no idea, but let's wait and see' is getting a bit dull.

You could start highlighting the many benefits of 'getting Brexit done' for example.
 
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I don't have the knowledge of different businesses to say if they will benefit.
And I'm not giving a shining endorsement of brexit. But what do you do. Keep posting stuff about hold ups, paperwork etc. Which may only be short term stuff. If things do go wrong it may give the opportunity for a pro EU party maybe labour to have a manifesto offering a new vote. Maybe the only chance Starmer and labour might have of getting elected tbh.
On BBC local news chairman of Lancashire chamber of commerce says Lancashire has the 4th biggest aerospace industry in the world and that brexit may be of benefit and offers opportunities for expansion. She probably knows better than me!
The UK might have the 4th largest, but I'd be surprised if Lancashire alone did.
 
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I'm probably a bit like @roydo here Pete, as my understanding is that the UK had 7 free ports between 1984 and 2012. Aside from the fact that they were clearly created while an EU member, it's also my understanding that the current government let the legislation that supported them lapse, hence why we have no free ports today. Could you explain to me, and perhaps to @roydo too, what were the benefits of those 7 free ports over that 28 year period, and why the current government acted to stop them?

It depends on your environment. If you are in the Eu, are a Freeport, but then sell within the Eu then being a Freeport does little good as the imports which remain tariff free and then are made into goods for export are only tariff free to other parts of the world. If you ‘export’ within a single market then tariffs have to be applied. This is why while there are 80+ Freeport’s in the EU they are mostly in Eastern Countries and were there before joining. Of course now we are out of the EU, exports of such a kind remain tariff free. This gives an incentive to other RoW countries to work with our Freeport areas and invest. This gives that locality benefits of investment and increased manufacturing. I’m not claiming ( and I said so with my original post) that we couldn’t have had them before, but they would not have been the revenue generators that they will be now. This is why there is now a cutthroat competition within the U.K. to be named as one. Even at PMQ’s today there was a pitch from East Midlands Airport.....
 
Wayne is actually a great friend of mine so it's funny to me to see that article quoted here

Yes and the point from that is surely a function UK government would have made sure it was clear and set in stone before ye left?

Have you ever thought that they are examples of what's going on in the world and instead of focusing completely on the example at hand, that expanding the viewpoint expressed to other industries, shows the impact that Brexit will have on numerous industries. The barriers to doing business with the UK have increased greatly since Jan 1st, that applies from the one guy in Ireland selling posters over the Internet to the European conglomerate who used to do millions a year in Britain but who may well walk away.

Why would he walk away, it’s 50% of his business. We were in the EU for nearly 50 years and at the beginning we had teething troubles. We have been out of the EU for 13 days. Gove today said that there will be assistance to GB companies to get the process right and HMRC and Customs are working to remove other barriers and costs. I’d say give it a bit of time, but Remainers on here imagine everything must work from day one, even though the Common Market went through similar issues...welcome to the debate btw....
 
I'm probably a bit like @roydo here Pete, as my understanding is that the UK had 7 free ports between 1984 and 2012. Aside from the fact that they were clearly created while an EU member, it's also my understanding that the current government let the legislation that supported them lapse, hence why we have no free ports today. Could you explain to me, and perhaps to @roydo too, what were the benefits of those 7 free ports over that 28 year period, and why the current government acted to stop them?
Isn't the whole notion of a Freeport that it limits tarriffs in the Freeport zone? We already have an FTA. And that inside a FPA you can effectively defer the paperwork until the final shipping (not really solving the problem)*

Presumably you'd put factories in there to prevent customs or tarriffs on inputs, but you'd effectively be building a hard border around the area outside? They'd still have to go through customs and be subject to tarriffs once they left.

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*I'm not a customs person, but that's my understanding.
 


A spokesman for DB Schenker confirmed the BILD information: “We are temporarily not accepting any new orders.” However, shipments that have already been posted should continue to be delivered “as quickly as possible”.

The problem: incompletely declared shipments cannot be delivered on site. To this end, a larger team of advisors is to be provided to customers in the future: "Employees who have been specially trained for Brexit are able to support customers around the clock in completing the necessary customs papers," says the company.

Just a few days ago, DB Schenker announced under the heading “Brexit? No problem! ”There is optimism that the movement of goods can continue to flow freely if the customs declaration goes smoothly.


https://www.bild.de/politik/ausland...er-grossbritannien-mehr-an-74871316.bild.html
 


Paperwork again...

”Dear Customer,

We are currently forced to temporarily suspend international land transport services from continental Europe to the UK with Immediate effect.
The arrangements agreed under the Brexit deal have meant enormous bureaucratic regulations, particularly for recipients in the UK, which they are currently unable to handle In a legally compliant manner. Most of the recipients (Importers or Consignee’s) In the UK have never dealt with customs procedures before, and need further guidance on the new regulations (e.g. the confirmation of the correct ten-digit commodity codes, providing Power of Attorney).

Therefore, we need to advise you to postpone all shipments until further notice. Furthermore, would you also please ensure that all necessary paperwork for customs i.e. export and import documentation, is in place for your shipments, as well as all the consignee i.e. all direct representation letters and HMRC information, to allow for smooth customs clearance.

We will do our utmost to support both origin and destination; shipper, and recipients and continue with our service as soon as possible.

If you have any questions, please contact your local DB Schenker team for support and further information.

Your DB Schenker team”
 
A spokesman for DB Schenker confirmed the BILD information: “We are temporarily not accepting any new orders.” However, shipments that have already been posted should continue to be delivered “as quickly as possible”.

The problem: incompletely declared shipments cannot be delivered on site. To this end, a larger team of advisors is to be provided to customers in the future: "Employees who have been specially trained for Brexit are able to support customers around the clock in completing the necessary customs papers," says the company.

Just a few days ago, DB Schenker announced under the heading “Brexit? No problem! ”There is optimism that the movement of goods can continue to flow freely if the customs declaration goes smoothly.


https://www.bild.de/politik/ausland...er-grossbritannien-mehr-an-74871316.bild.html
I read already but thanks for translating
 
Worth the hassle.

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