Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Joey66 said:
Because according to you they were thick and racist idiots on LBC this am the next vote will be Cambridge graduates only as the Judge and ala Dominic Grieve were educated at Cambridge Bruce - as for the contingency report loads of top businesses telephoned in saying the worst scenario always has to be put ie its no more than a trumped up H&S report let's face it it's hard crossing the road sometimes- theses were top businesses saying this explaining the yellow hammer report they would have not published to their staff even with deals in China as it would cause uncertainty in the workplace often the deals went through with bad provisional outcomes successfully 9 times out of 10....
Good old LBC early am putting things into perspective - also linking the one of the Judges knew Greive very well........
A Cambridge boy in his day....... coincidence so was Dominic Grieve......
politics should be kept out of courts - the party conference season is taking up over 3 weeks of parliament closing its perouging for 4 days Bruce ...... even the deputy Editor of the socialist Daily Mirror admitted that point.....
Oh, and it is the right for a new PM to have a Queens speech ... the party conferences would have closed parliment any way.....
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"All we hear is...Radio Gaga...Radio Blah Blah" :cool:
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
So what do you want Bruce? Do you want people attack number ten, overthrow the government and lead Brexit another way? Because apart from that there's absolutely nothing else we can do.

BTW have you accepted responsibility for helping the Tories get to power in 2010 by voting Lib Dems and effectively voting for savage cuts and austerity?
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Be fair now the Lib Dems managed to negotiation a 5p charge on plastic bags law in return for backing those savage cuts
 
COYBL25 said:
Oh dear.

He`s gone Full Metal @Joey66 again.

I may have to break out the tranquilizer gun, dart him and then send him off for an extended period of convalescence at the special recovery home for elderly Brexiteers.
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Actually having a bad time with the mother in law it may be dementia with her in hospital, and people making remarks about brexiteers care homes over Brexit etc - does not help ok!
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
I wont back another referendum. It'd pointless and only have us continue to go around in circles forever. If somebody gets elected and choses to revoke article 50 I'll live with that but a second referendum will change noting. Should remain win the leave side will obviously demand a third refendum. What is the point in a second refendum when we haven't even upheld the results of the first one! They don't mean anything, we've been told over and over hiw they aren't legally binding so why would a second advisory referendum change anything.
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Mate before the referendum Farage said if it was 52:48 then there should be a second referendum. If it was 70:30 he said the matter would be settled but not if it was so close.
 
Joey66 said:
Actually having a bad time with the mother in law it may be dementia with her in hospital, and people making remarks about brexiteers care homes over Brexit etc - does not help ok!
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As your only carer, I`m advising you to request a thread ban from the EU thread Joey and forget all about Brexit for a while.

Maybe start exploring the local area for any untapped seams of coal, that those pesky Poles haven`t found yet and set the wife to work ?
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
So what do you want Bruce? Do you want people attack number ten, overthrow the government and lead Brexit another way? Because apart from that there's absolutely nothing else we can do.

BTW have you accepted responsibility for helping the Tories get to power in 2010 by voting Lib Dems and effectively voting for savage cuts and austerity?
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I'd imagine there are a range of ways for one to be politically active without storming parliament. Your vote in the last election would be one, as would votes in the European elections. You could write/lobby your MP. You could voice your displeasure online. If you've done all of those things then I apologise, but there has been absolutely no notion (on here at least) that Brexiters believe things are as bad as they are because the very idea of Brexit stinks to high heaven.
 
Charlie Sweet said:
Mate before the referendum Farage said if it was 52:48 then there should be a second referendum. If it was 70:30 he said the matter would be settled but not if it was so close.
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I can honestly say that I have zero interest in anything Farrge has said or will say mate but as usual he was 100% wrong on that. I've no idea why anyone pays any attention to him anyway, he's an utter irrelevance and is mostly a media creation. He's a serial failure who wrongly gets credit for the out vote. Hardly anyone knew who he was until a random clip of him slagging Van Rompuy went viral.
 
Joey66 said:
Actually having a bad time with the mother in law it may be dementia with her in hospital, and people making remarks about brexiteers care homes over Brexit etc - does not help ok!
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If this is the case, I would've thought you would be more interested in warnings about impact on social care and the NHS. Rather than dismissing it outright.

Maybe pop LBC on and go back into your bubble.
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
I wont back another referendum. It'd pointless and only have us continue to go around in circles forever. If somebody gets elected and choses to revoke article 50 I'll live with that but a second referendum will change noting. Should remain win the leave side will obviously demand a third refendum. What is the point in a second refendum when we haven't even upheld the results of the first one! They don't mean anything, we've been told over and over hiw they aren't legally binding so why would a second advisory referendum change anything.
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One of the saddest parts in all of this is how they have managed to disenfranchise people like you. It's not that democracy has failed so much in trying to block leaving, it's just the fact they allowed people a vote on a question that had no real viable solution.

From the start there has only ever been 3 different ways to deliver it:
  • Put a hard border between NI and the Republic. In almost any other situation this would work, we are not talking millions of people crossing daily, goods will be able to be checked and moved through quickly. But in this situation there will be violence. In a matter of weeks you go from having a nice friendly 'normal looking' border to a military one and then the watchtowers will go up and the terrorist attacks will likely happen on both sides of the Irish Sea. Not to mention it breaks the GFA.
  • Allow NI to stay effectively in the EU and have the border checks between GB and NI. The DUP won't go for it but if you weren't relying on them to get it through, it is probably the most sensible solution. It could lead to unification eventually. However there is one big spanner in the works, Scotland. They will see NI still in the EU and they will want the same, so you would have solved the Irish border problem but then made it essential to have a border on this island. You will also lose 5.5 million from the buying power of any future trade deals and a good chunk of the UK's natural resources.
  • Give up trying to curtail freedom of movement and stay in the single market. The problem with this is that leavers will not see that as brexit and instead of taking back power we would have given away our say from inside the EU. So you may has well just revoke article 50 if you choose this option.
We just need to show leavers the futility of it all. Another referendum can work, but it cannot be advisory this time and it will lead to one of the three options implemented above (presumably the second one) if no deal is chosen. It would be crap but if a majority voted for it then least they can't say they weren't warned.
 
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