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[Harryflashman]

Clearly that internal border force document is more project fear , maybe project fear seven hey @Joey66

Edit - having read the twitter replies that’s exactly what’s being suggested and these are conveniently leaked apparently. The world has truly gone insane .

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Clearly that internal border force document is more project fear , maybe project fear seven hey @Joey66

Edit - having read the twitter replies that’s exactly what’s being suggested and these are conveniently leaked apparently. The world has truly gone insane .

On a purely academic level, it's actually quite interesting the intellectual lengths people will go to, but then the lunatics are actually running the asylum, which makes it somewhat less interesting.

 

[Anders_Limpar]

On a purely academic level, it's actually quite interesting the intellectual lengths people will go to, but then the lunatics are actually running the asylum, which makes it somewhat less interesting.

It’s a toxic combination of naivety, jingoism and stupidity.

It’s what happens when people decide that anything written or said that doesn’t confirm to their world view is fake news.

It’s the assumption that if you break down all the thousands of systems we have in place to simply buy food, that someone will sort it out and we’ll carry on regardless.

It’s the lack of imagination to actually engage with what a ‘short period of pain’ will actually involve.

It’s peoples complete inability to revise their thinking and admit that perhaps they were wrong.

Academically it’s fascinating. Unfortunately as you say, the real world implications are slightly less so.

 

[abelard]

It’s a toxic combination of naivety, jingoism and stupidity.

It’s what happens when people decide that anything written or said that doesn’t confirm to their world view is fake news.

It’s the assumption that if you break down all the thousands of systems we have in place to simply buy food, that someone will sort it out and we’ll carry on regardless.

It’s the lack of imagination to actually engage with what a ‘short period of pain’ will actually involve.

It’s peoples complete inability to revise their thinking and admit that perhaps they were wrong.

Academically it’s fascinating. Unfortunately as you say, the real world implications are slightly less so.

And if one really wants to understand the state we're in, one applies everything you've just said to the preceding decision, at the crest of a recession!!!, to impose austerity - the godfather of Brexit.

Nobody who fell for that, which was likewise opposed by every single non-crank macro-economist on the planet, has any right to mock the Brexit ultras.

As Ronald Reagan once said [**loosely paraphrased**] "The most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I subscribe to the The Economist and I'm here to help'"

; )

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It’s a toxic combination of naivety, jingoism and stupidity.

It’s what happens when people decide that anything written or said that doesn’t confirm to their world view is fake news.

It’s the assumption that if you break down all the thousands of systems we have in place to simply buy food, that someone will sort it out and we’ll carry on regardless.

It’s the lack of imagination to actually engage with what a ‘short period of pain’ will actually involve.

It’s peoples complete inability to revise their thinking and admit that perhaps they were wrong.

Academically it’s fascinating. Unfortunately as you say, the real world implications are slightly less so.

https://digest.bps.org.uk/2019/01/2...out-arguments-that-contradict-their-politics/ is quite a nice summation I thought.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And if one really wants to understand the state we're in, one applies everything you've just said to the preceding decision, at the crest of a recession!!!, to impose austerity - the godfather of Brexit.

Nobody who fell for that, which was likewise opposed by every single non-crank macro-economist on the planet, has any right to mock the Brexit ultras.

As Ronald Reagan once said (**loosely paraphrased**) "The most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I subscribe to the The Economist and I'm here to help"

; )

Haha. The kind of nationalism that we've seen underpin the Brexit vote has been evident throughout the western world though, even in places that didn't go down the austerity route. For instance Hollande was voted in precisely because he was a socialist who wanted to go against austerity, and yet Le Pen still grew to within an inch of the Elysee. I don't believe France is wildly different to Britain in that sense, but we obviously had a referendum and they didn't.

I don't doubt that recessions are a breeding ground for all manner of extreme views, and there is plenty of evidence from both recent times and further back to support that, but it's surely a bit simplistic to suggest that going on a Keynesian splurge would have solved things?

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

And if one really wants to understand the state we're in, one applies everything you've just said to the preceding decision, at the crest of a recession!!!, to impose austerity - the godfather of Brexit.

Nobody who fell for that, which was likewise opposed by every single non-crank macro-economist on the planet, has any right to mock the Brexit ultras.

As Ronald Reagan once said [**loosely paraphrased**] "The most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I subscribe to the The Economist and I'm here to help'"

; )

I don’t blame people who voted for Brexit. NOBODY (in a macro sense) on either side of the debate was well informed enough to take part in that referendum in 2016.

I blame two groups - those who wilfully manipulated chunks of the population for their own political gain, to the detriment of the country; and those who now, after all that’s happened and come to light over the last 31 months, thinks it’s a good idea.

 

[abelard]

Haha. The kind of nationalism that we've seen underpin the Brexit vote has been evident throughout the western world though, even in places that didn't go down the austerity route. For instance Hollande was voted in precisely because he was a socialist who wanted to go against austerity, and yet Le Pen still grew to within an inch of the Elysee. I don't believe France is wildly different to Britain in that sense, but we obviously had a referendum and they didn't.

I don't doubt that recessions are a breeding ground for all manner of extreme views, and there is plenty of evidence from both recent times and further back to support that, but it's surely a bit simplistic to suggest that going on a Keynesian splurge would have solved things?

Europe absolutely did go down the austerity route.

Without wishing to give offence, that is a staggeringly ignorant summation of Hollande, who immediately betrayed his campaign promises by doubling down on austerity - resulting in lower than 10% approval ratings (rightly so), and the possibly permanent destruction of the Socialist Party.

And then elites wonder why nobody trusts them or believes in centrist politics any more.

This is rudimentary knowledge.

You haven't read Adam Tooze yet, have you?

I'm not the only one who hasn't done his homework xx

 

[Khalekan]

Changes, circles spinning
Can't tell the finish from the beginning
Crying, tears of fire
Can't tell the honest man from a liar

Building, private prisons
Keeps crazy heads from changing decisions
Walking, string of wire
To tell the living man from a dyer

Changes, circles spinning
Can't tell the finish from the beginning
Crying, tears of fire
Can't tell the honest man from a liar

lol


You know, I have a copy of Truly Fine Citizen in my House here....at the bottom of a wardrobe with about a dozen other vinyl albums which I could never bring myself to chuck out, even though I have had nowt to play them on for about thirty years.

 

[larrygobfiend]

Big companies have already started jumping ship.

 

[Khalekan]

Without a doubt the most thought through answer on how Britain will keep feeding itself in two months’ time

lol

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Europe absolutely did go down the austerity route.

You haven't read Adam Tooze yet, have you?

I'm not the only one who hasn't done his homework xx

Touche. Things have not been equal across Europe however. The Irish have reacted very differently to the Greeks, for instance. Is it as straightforward as just austerity? If it was, then you would imagine all economies who tried to balance their books would have responded in the same way, but they didn't.

 

[Old Blue 2]

lol


You know, I have a copy of Truly Fine Citizen in my House here....at the bottom of a wardrobe with about a dozen other vinyl albums which I could never bring myself to chuck out, even though I have had nowt to play them on for about thirty years.

Khal,
Given all that is going on with Parliament at the moment, I thought the lyrics were rather apt, whichever side of the Brexit divide one is on.
I've been a big fan of Moby Grape for decades, even though they did produce their fair share of rubbish along with the gems. But when they got it right, they were stellar - I still play the 'Moby Grape 69' album in the car regularly.

I hope others take a listen to the track I posted and enjoy it, as well as understanding my light-hearted take on present proceedings...

 

[Joey66]

Clearly that internal border force document is more project fear , maybe project fear seven hey @Joey66

Edit - having read the twitter replies that’s exactly what’s being suggested and these are conveniently leaked apparently. The world has truly gone insane .

project fear 8 then......lol

 

[summerisle]