Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Joey66 said:
The Norway plus deal - the dealer were in before joining the common Market - it was did indeed on BBC politics live show today looked to be a good compromise?
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What exactly is that? (Re)joining the EEA and EFTA (seems unlikely that the other members/EU would let the U.K. rejoin. For the other members simply because it would ruin the power balance in the organisation), how will you exactly negotiate special separate free trade deals (the kind that the super brexiteers want) that way ? Oh and you still have freedom of movement etc... You still have no decision making power. I suppose you're not in the fishery policies and other minor things that are just red herrings etc...

In what way is that considerably better?

Btw: If you're ever looking for an easy job EFTA is the way to go. (as you can imagine the courts are also very similar since there has to be uniformity in the EEA) They constantly refer to the ECJ etc...
 
Armel said:
What exactly is that? (Re)joining the EEA and EFTA (seems unlikely that the other members/EU would let the U.K. rejoin. For the other members simply because it would ruin the power balance in the organisation), how will you exactly negotiate special separate free trade deals (the kind that the super brexiteers want) that way ? Oh and you still have freedom of movement etc... You still have no decision making power. I suppose you're not in the fishery policies and other minor things that are just red herrings etc...

In what way is that considerably better?

Btw: If you're ever looking for an easy job EFTA is the way to go. (as you can imagine the courts are also very similar since there has to be uniformity in the EEA) They constantly refer to the ECJ etc...
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They stated may would not get any deal......... answering the PM committee today she would not rule out no deal........
 
OnlyBlueWillDo said:
You say bizarre logic, nothing bizarre at all, I'm putting it into a few short sentences instead of writing blogs of guff on it like a few in here do, I say I'm cutting to the chase and seeing the truth.

No deal brexit, we keep what we have now, and we slowly grow, yes we'd grow faster accepting May's deal, but we are doing alright as it stands now after 10 years of austerity, our projected growth is more than it has been for the last 10 years if we end up with no deal, that is the reality.

And I am absolutely certain, with a no deal, the EU will work to make trade quicker and smoother with us, we buy more than we sell, we are massive customers to several of the EU countries, it hurts them as well as us.
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This is the problem with the term ‘no-deal’. People assume with no deal we revert back to the status quo.

Like if you went to try and buy a car, couldn’t strike a deal with the garage so you walk away with no deal and no car. Status quo is maintained as you don’t have a car but you haven’t spent any money.

With a no deal, we lose a shed load.

You may think that we can go out and strike deals quickly (given how inept this government have been at every other level, I’d personally have my doubts) but we don’t keep what we have now. We lose what we have now.

It’s a really important distinction and simply wrong to suggest otherwise.
 
Anders_Limpar said:
This is the problem with the term ‘no-deal’. People assume with no deal we revert back to the status quo.

Like if you went to try and buy a car, couldn’t strike a deal with the garage so you walk away with no deal and no car. Status quo is maintained as you don’t have a car but you haven’t spent any money.

With a no deal, we lose a shed load.

You may think that we can go out and strike deals quickly (given how inept this government have been at every other level, I’d personally have my doubts) but we don’t keep what we have now. We lose what we have now.

It’s a really important distinction and simply wrong to suggest otherwise.
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yea, it's more like driving to the garage, getting a trade in value on your car, throwing the keys at the salesman and stroming out without buying a new one. On your bus ride home you're thinking you're great because you didn't let the garage dictate to you.
 
Mark O'Silver said:
What a great idea. Do something that will cause pain to all concerned but it doesn't matter about your own pain because the other side will be in pain as well.

What bizarre logic to use when taking one the most important decisions in your country's history.
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The point is when two sides are hurting, there will be a common will to find a better solution.

It's always what the UK will lose, what about what the EU will lose.

May's deal will get voted down anyway, then lets say to the EU sorry but no thinks, and let them sweat on it for a change.
 
OnlyBlueWillDo said:
The point is when two sides are hurting, there will be a common will to find a better solution.

It's always what the UK will lose, what about what the EU will lose.

May's deal will get voted down anyway, then lets say to the EU sorry but no thinks, and let them sweat on it for a change.
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Let the EU sweat on it ? Dream on, the EU won't be renegotiating the deal as confirmed by Donal Tusk today:

"If this deal is rejected in the Commons, we are left with... an alternative: no deal or no Brexit at all."

It was the UK that caused this mess in the first place, not the EU.
 
Mark O'Silver said:
Let the EU sweat on it ? Dream on, the EU won't be renegotiating the deal as confirmed by Donal Tusk today:

"If this deal is rejected in the Commons, we are left with... an alternative: no deal or no Brexit at all."

It was the UK that caused this mess in the first place, not the EU.
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Spot on.

The politicians gambled that the public would vote to stay in, seemingly with no plan whatsoever should the public vote to leave.
 
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