only 16 million hey ho -your talking spaghetti again
Current Affairs EU In or Out
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Who said that's going to happen = YOU.........
Well £260bn is roughly 32x what we pay into the EU, so it's a fantastic return in anyone's book. I've said to you many times before in this thread that more needs to be done on both of the things you mention. Firstly, the movement of people is a wonderful thing and you will nary find an economist that doesn't advocate labour mobility. That doesn't mean that more shouldn't be done to help areas adapt to changes in their population however. That isn't the EU's fault though. They already provide a fund for member states to help with exactly that, but our government decline to use it in favour of their own fund which has less than 10% of what the EU offer. Towns in the UK are also hamstrung not only by the highly centralised nature of our government, which means they have very little flexibility in terms of raising money according to their needs, and also the census-based method the government uses to distribute money to towns, which as it's a ten year project does little to provide an accurate assessment of a town's population.
On skills, there are huge challenges here, not just because of migration but due to pressures wrought by new technologies. Again though, the government are asleep on the job and doing precious little to support those whose jobs have been disrupted, or helping to prepare people whose jobs are likely to be disrupted. It's a sick joke that for generations the only response has been to put people on disability benefits rather than helping them adapt. Once again however, this is not a problem caused by the EU but by ongoing failure by successive governments in the UK.
not the answer to my post Bruce - the EU demanding more funds........
It's perhaps worth considering Joe that large populations are by and large a good thing. The network benefits of being in a large population are tremendous, hence why London does so much better than so many other smaller towns in the UK. I've no doubt you'll retort with the finite carrying capacity of the UK, and lets assume (which I don't, but I'll humour you) that we do have finite space, then in order to thrive internationally it's vital that we form alliances so that we can punch above our weight. China has well over a billion people, so too India. The United States well over 300 million. Britain is tiny in comparison, and whilst we do well for a country of our size, we do even better when we join forces with our European neighbours. Projects like Horizon2020 allow Europe to lead the world in research. Numerous projects exist to help commercialize that research and make it as easy as possible for them to have a market of 500 million people rather than 60 million.
To fully exploit these network effects, you typically need a much deeper relationship than 'just' trade. The EU's deal with the likes of Canada and Japan are great, but they won't have anywhere near as profound an impact as the partnership possibilities between France and Germany, or the UK and the Netherlands. I'm not sure most folk really have any idea what they're doing.
It's not hard to figure out Joe. If you're earning say £40k a year, and then your boss decides to give you a payrise so that you earn £50k a year, the government will also 'demand more funds' from you because your taxes are a proportion of your income. If your personal finances improve, then so do your contributions to the government increase.
It's no different with the UK. If our economy grows, the amount of money we contribute to the EU goes up, but the % of our Gross National Income stays the same.
It's perhaps also worth considering, given this rhetoric of the UK being both screwed by the EU and unable to get any concessions out of them, that we pay considerably less into EU coffers than Italy do, despite our economy being some £800bn larger.
Foot Long Hot Dog
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Are you being deliberately obtuse or can you not remember what you actually post?
Tell me ho on my post how they calculated extra funds fo our UK blackmarket.....
1.7 billion......
Give me the ideology of how that was worked out please......
Foot Long Hot Dog
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You make zero sense man, it’s like conversing with a spam bot
You seem to anserwr my post repeatedly.......
Insults will get you nowhere.....
Foot Long Hot Dog
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You said that it was somehow an ‘insult’ for MPs to try and block a no deal exit, and yet you can’t or won’t explain why this option would be a good outcome?
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/eu-in-or-out.89343/page-1739#post-6373831
Foot Long Hot Dog
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It wasn’t an insult it was an observation.
You should be prepared to put forward an actual argument as to why your incessant sound bites make sense, but you just requote them and then go off on a tangent when they’re questioned and actual facts are quoted that dispute them.
I believe it's because a proportion of the contribution comes via VAT, so the more VAT the government collects, the higher the EU contribution. If there is a change in any blackmarket economies, then you'd imagine that would change how much VAT is collected.
Great club to be a member of. Bruce when do they audit their own accounts.......
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