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Marvelous ... so that's 70% more emissions, a monopoly on maintenance to push prices up, but also they are so much heavier that they will cause more damage to roads and the potential for multi-level car parks to collapse ... presumably with the increased mass, you're also more likely to die if you have the misfortune of a head on collision with an EV than a petrol or diesel car.

Pothole damage from electric cars is double that of petrol, Telegraph data show​

Electric cars damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents, analysis has shown, as the pothole crisis grows on Britain’s roads.

Analysis by The Telegraph has found that the average electric car more than doubles the wear on road surfaces, which in turn could increase the number of potholes.

Road industry bodies have raised fears that electric cars could exacerbate the problem on residential roads. The number of electric cars being driven has tripled to 900,000 since 2019 ahead of the Government’s 2030 ban on sales of new petrol and diesel cars as part of its net zero drive.

The Telegraph found that the average electric car puts 2.24 times more stress on roads than its petrol equivalent, and 1.95 more than diesel. Larger electric vehicles weighing over 2,000kg (2 tons) cause the most damage, with 2.32 times more wear applied to roads.

Such stress on roads causes greater movement of asphalt, which can create small cracks. If these are not fixed, then these expand and eventually develop into potholes.

The Telegraph used analysis led by the University of Leeds which assessed the weights of 15 popular electric car models alongside their petrol equivalents.

Researchers divided them by size, including small electric cars weighing over 1,000kg, such as the BMW Mini Cooper SE 3 Door and Peugeot e208, medium models over 1,500kg such as the Ford Focus Electric and Vauxhall Corsa-e, and larger vehicles including the Jaguar I- pace EV and Audi e-tron 50 Quattro.

They found that the electric vehicles were on average 312kg heavier than similar petrol versions. This is because they must carry heavy batteries, which can weigh up to 500kg.

Rick Green, chair of the Asphalt Industry Alliance, previously told The Telegraph: “Unclassified roads would not have been designed to accommodate HGV axle weights, so heavier electric cars could exacerbate existing weaknesses thereby accelerating decline.”

Separate research from the University of Edinburgh found that the roll-out of electric lorries could increase the damage to roads in Scotland by almost a third. Lead researcher John Low estimated that it could cost the Scottish government and councils an additional £164 million to maintain roads if all buses and lorries became electric.
In the unlikely event The Telegraph have become experts on this, the costs here pale into insignificance compared to the costs caused by pollution from vehicle emissions.

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-06-0... University collaboration,£6 billion per year.
 
Marvelous ... so that's 70% more emissions, a monopoly on maintenance to push prices up, but also they are so much heavier that they will cause more damage to roads and the potential for multi-level car parks to collapse ... presumably with the increased mass, you're also more likely to die if you have the misfortune of a head on collision with an EV than a petrol or diesel car.

Pothole damage from electric cars is double that of petrol, Telegraph data show​

Electric cars damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents, analysis has shown, as the pothole crisis grows on Britain’s roads.

Analysis by The Telegraph has found that the average electric car more than doubles the wear on road surfaces, which in turn could increase the number of potholes.

Road industry bodies have raised fears that electric cars could exacerbate the problem on residential roads. The number of electric cars being driven has tripled to 900,000 since 2019 ahead of the Government’s 2030 ban on sales of new petrol and diesel cars as part of its net zero drive.

The Telegraph found that the average electric car puts 2.24 times more stress on roads than its petrol equivalent, and 1.95 more than diesel. Larger electric vehicles weighing over 2,000kg (2 tons) cause the most damage, with 2.32 times more wear applied to roads.

Such stress on roads causes greater movement of asphalt, which can create small cracks. If these are not fixed, then these expand and eventually develop into potholes.

The Telegraph used analysis led by the University of Leeds which assessed the weights of 15 popular electric car models alongside their petrol equivalents.

Researchers divided them by size, including small electric cars weighing over 1,000kg, such as the BMW Mini Cooper SE 3 Door and Peugeot e208, medium models over 1,500kg such as the Ford Focus Electric and Vauxhall Corsa-e, and larger vehicles including the Jaguar I- pace EV and Audi e-tron 50 Quattro.

They found that the electric vehicles were on average 312kg heavier than similar petrol versions. This is because they must carry heavy batteries, which can weigh up to 500kg.

Rick Green, chair of the Asphalt Industry Alliance, previously told The Telegraph: “Unclassified roads would not have been designed to accommodate HGV axle weights, so heavier electric cars could exacerbate existing weaknesses thereby accelerating decline.”

Separate research from the University of Edinburgh found that the roll-out of electric lorries could increase the damage to roads in Scotland by almost a third. Lead researcher John Low estimated that it could cost the Scottish government and councils an additional £164 million to maintain roads if all buses and lorries became electric.
First up, I am interested in how you have come to conclude there a correlation between pothols and climate change?

Also, no matter how often you repeat the 70% more emission lone, it is still not true - remember I posted the actual article you thought you were quoting?

Have you ever been to the US or Australia? You may find that the average car in those countries is quite a bit larger than the average car in the uk. The top 3 selling cars in Australia are toyota hilux, toyota landcruiser and ford ranger - each weighing nearly 3 tonnes. That's not 3 heavy cars cherry picked to make a point, it is the 3 top selling cars in the country. So I honestly don't think EVs which are half the weight are going to increase the amount of potholes.
 
With just a little poking, the extreme desires of the political saddos leak out. First there was the guy that believed in genocide, then the guy that believed in an apartheid, then the guy who wanted to lock up everyone on Fox News and now someone else who's again motivated by hatred. He'd rather burn the house down to win an argument. So extreme, such hatred, yet another radicalised leftie weirdo.
Weren't you crying about ad hominem attacks the other day?
 
Marvelous ... so that's 70% more emissions, a monopoly on maintenance to push prices up, but also they are so much heavier that they will cause more damage to roads and the potential for multi-level car parks to collapse ... presumably with the increased mass, you're also more likely to die if you have the misfortune of a head on collision with an EV than a petrol or diesel car.

Pothole damage from electric cars is double that of petrol, Telegraph data show​

Electric cars damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents, analysis has shown, as the pothole crisis grows on Britain’s roads.

Analysis by The Telegraph has found that the average electric car more than doubles the wear on road surfaces, which in turn could increase the number of potholes.

Road industry bodies have raised fears that electric cars could exacerbate the problem on residential roads. The number of electric cars being driven has tripled to 900,000 since 2019 ahead of the Government’s 2030 ban on sales of new petrol and diesel cars as part of its net zero drive.

The Telegraph found that the average electric car puts 2.24 times more stress on roads than its petrol equivalent, and 1.95 more than diesel. Larger electric vehicles weighing over 2,000kg (2 tons) cause the most damage, with 2.32 times more wear applied to roads.

Such stress on roads causes greater movement of asphalt, which can create small cracks. If these are not fixed, then these expand and eventually develop into potholes.

The Telegraph used analysis led by the University of Leeds which assessed the weights of 15 popular electric car models alongside their petrol equivalents.

Researchers divided them by size, including small electric cars weighing over 1,000kg, such as the BMW Mini Cooper SE 3 Door and Peugeot e208, medium models over 1,500kg such as the Ford Focus Electric and Vauxhall Corsa-e, and larger vehicles including the Jaguar I- pace EV and Audi e-tron 50 Quattro.

They found that the electric vehicles were on average 312kg heavier than similar petrol versions. This is because they must carry heavy batteries, which can weigh up to 500kg.

Rick Green, chair of the Asphalt Industry Alliance, previously told The Telegraph: “Unclassified roads would not have been designed to accommodate HGV axle weights, so heavier electric cars could exacerbate existing weaknesses thereby accelerating decline.”

Separate research from the University of Edinburgh found that the roll-out of electric lorries could increase the damage to roads in Scotland by almost a third. Lead researcher John Low estimated that it could cost the Scottish government and councils an additional £164 million to maintain roads if all buses and lorries became electric.
So you gonna rock out on a scooter ? Good lid mert.
 
Marvelous ... so that's 70% more emissions, a monopoly on maintenance to push prices up, but also they are so much heavier that they will cause more damage to roads and the potential for multi-level car parks to collapse ... presumably with the increased mass, you're also more likely to die if you have the misfortune of a head on collision with an EV than a petrol or diesel car.

Pothole damage from electric cars is double that of petrol, Telegraph data show​

Electric cars damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents, analysis has shown, as the pothole crisis grows on Britain’s roads.

Analysis by The Telegraph has found that the average electric car more than doubles the wear on road surfaces, which in turn could increase the number of potholes.

Road industry bodies have raised fears that electric cars could exacerbate the problem on residential roads. The number of electric cars being driven has tripled to 900,000 since 2019 ahead of the Government’s 2030 ban on sales of new petrol and diesel cars as part of its net zero drive.

The Telegraph found that the average electric car puts 2.24 times more stress on roads than its petrol equivalent, and 1.95 more than diesel. Larger electric vehicles weighing over 2,000kg (2 tons) cause the most damage, with 2.32 times more wear applied to roads.

Such stress on roads causes greater movement of asphalt, which can create small cracks. If these are not fixed, then these expand and eventually develop into potholes.

The Telegraph used analysis led by the University of Leeds which assessed the weights of 15 popular electric car models alongside their petrol equivalents.

Researchers divided them by size, including small electric cars weighing over 1,000kg, such as the BMW Mini Cooper SE 3 Door and Peugeot e208, medium models over 1,500kg such as the Ford Focus Electric and Vauxhall Corsa-e, and larger vehicles including the Jaguar I- pace EV and Audi e-tron 50 Quattro.

They found that the electric vehicles were on average 312kg heavier than similar petrol versions. This is because they must carry heavy batteries, which can weigh up to 500kg.

Rick Green, chair of the Asphalt Industry Alliance, previously told The Telegraph: “Unclassified roads would not have been designed to accommodate HGV axle weights, so heavier electric cars could exacerbate existing weaknesses thereby accelerating decline.”

Separate research from the University of Edinburgh found that the roll-out of electric lorries could increase the damage to roads in Scotland by almost a third. Lead researcher John Low estimated that it could cost the Scottish government and councils an additional £164 million to maintain roads if all buses and lorries became electric.

Sorry. The Telegraph is MSM therefore not trusted. Disregarded.
 
Marvelous ... so that's 70% more emissions, a monopoly on maintenance to push prices up, but also they are so much heavier that they will cause more damage to roads and the potential for multi-level car parks to collapse ... presumably with the increased mass, you're also more likely to die if you have the misfortune of a head on collision with an EV than a petrol or diesel car.

Pothole damage from electric cars is double that of petrol, Telegraph data show​

Electric cars damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents, analysis has shown, as the pothole crisis grows on Britain’s roads.

Analysis by The Telegraph has found that the average electric car more than doubles the wear on road surfaces, which in turn could increase the number of potholes.

Road industry bodies have raised fears that electric cars could exacerbate the problem on residential roads. The number of electric cars being driven has tripled to 900,000 since 2019 ahead of the Government’s 2030 ban on sales of new petrol and diesel cars as part of its net zero drive.

The Telegraph found that the average electric car puts 2.24 times more stress on roads than its petrol equivalent, and 1.95 more than diesel. Larger electric vehicles weighing over 2,000kg (2 tons) cause the most damage, with 2.32 times more wear applied to roads.

Such stress on roads causes greater movement of asphalt, which can create small cracks. If these are not fixed, then these expand and eventually develop into potholes.

The Telegraph used analysis led by the University of Leeds which assessed the weights of 15 popular electric car models alongside their petrol equivalents.

Researchers divided them by size, including small electric cars weighing over 1,000kg, such as the BMW Mini Cooper SE 3 Door and Peugeot e208, medium models over 1,500kg such as the Ford Focus Electric and Vauxhall Corsa-e, and larger vehicles including the Jaguar I- pace EV and Audi e-tron 50 Quattro.

They found that the electric vehicles were on average 312kg heavier than similar petrol versions. This is because they must carry heavy batteries, which can weigh up to 500kg.

Rick Green, chair of the Asphalt Industry Alliance, previously told The Telegraph: “Unclassified roads would not have been designed to accommodate HGV axle weights, so heavier electric cars could exacerbate existing weaknesses thereby accelerating decline.”

Separate research from the University of Edinburgh found that the roll-out of electric lorries could increase the damage to roads in Scotland by almost a third. Lead researcher John Low estimated that it could cost the Scottish government and councils an additional £164 million to maintain roads if all buses and lorries became electric.

What a load of horse dung.

The key word in that whole article is- " could ".

In other words it`s all conjecture.

If the government hadn`t wiped out the council budgets for maintaining the roads, along with everything else, the roads wouldn`t be in the state that they`re in.

They`re much more culpable, than someone driving an electric car.

It`s got that bad, that there`s even small pot holes startng to appear on the motorways.
 
What a load of horse dung.

The key word in that whole article is- " could ".

In other words it`s all conjecture.

If the government hadn`t wiped out the council budgets for maintaining the roads, along with everything else, the roads wouldn`t be in the state that they`re in.

They`re much more culpable, than someone driving an electric car.

It`s got that bad, that there`s even small pot holes startng to appear on the motorways.
His electric cars are going to save Australian roads, they are only half the weight of each of our 3 top selling cars. Thanks @Toffee_Loaf for pointing this out 🙏
 
His electric cars are going to save Australian roads, they are only half the weight of each of our 3 top selling cars. Thanks @Toffee_Loaf for pointing this out 🙏
The same cars as EVs will be considerably heavier not lighter. The car examples above are appropriate for a UK market which has many differences and consumer expectations than other countries. I look forward to seeing what kind of range you manage to get in your EV with the air conditioning on down under.
 
The same cars as EVs will be considerably heavier not lighter. The car examples above are appropriate for a UK market which has many differences and consumer expectations than other countries. I look forward to seeing what kind of range you manage to get in your EV with the air conditioning on down under.
about 300kms or so is average I think, which is roughly how much I travel in a week, so don't think range will be a problem.

What range did an ICE car have 10 years after they were invented?
 
about 300kms or so is average I think, which is roughly how much I travel in a week, so don't think range will be a problem.

What range did an ICE car have 10 years after they were invented?
You think? I've got another great story for you. The council a few years ago went all electric with their fleet of vans ... to save the planet (certainly not money) was the theory. Listening to the guys that drive them however is quite illuminating. They used to take the vans home with them because it was more efficient (for them and the council) than driving to a depot to pick them up. However, they can't do that anymore because it takes so long to charge them and they're not reliable. They also found that in the Winter their range reduced by 50% when they had to use the headlamps and the windscreen wipers. The radio was also a no, no. Never mind the heater! Hoping the stories of our council workers can give you an indication of what you can look forward to.

If you want to get a range of 300kms, Everton you're going to need to buy will need a truly enormous battery. It's going to be as heavy as a tank.
 
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