England & The North/South Bias

[Alan Whittle]

 

[Alan Whittle]

Top 23 clubs supplying England players
London & South = 6
Midlands = 5
North = 12

To be fair this is for all time and may naturally show some Northern bias as the original Football League were all North or Midlands clubs.
Past 20 years may show a different pattern but honestly cba to look. The info is there though. I just googled England caps by club.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Top 23 clubs supplying England players
London & South = 6
Midlands = 5
North = 12

I'm not asking you to do the following, but, aren't the player numbers skewed by outfield vs keeper? Keepers that get extended runs for the international side, eg; Shilton, Seaman, possibly Pickford.

 

[Alan Whittle]

I'm not asking you to do the following, but, aren't the player numbers skewed by outfield vs keeper? Keepers that get extended runs for the international side, eg; Shilton, Seaman, possibly Pickford.

The numbers are skewed in any number of ways. Didn’t Ron Greenwood pick 9 Liverpool players for one game?
Changes will be more when the team are struggling / under a new manager.
Some managers pick the same players whatever, some pick from clubs that are doing well. In 1991 Palace had 3 starters away to Poland, because we were 3rd in the League or something.

 

[Raino85]

No idea, just think you might need that info to support your initial argument about Southern bias

Probably, i did think Ian Walker being chosen over Tim Flowers or Nigel Martyn was a travesty

 

[Raino85]

Gareth Barry wasn't omitted before 2007. He was in England's Euro 2000 squad for example, and started getting picked for England around. And in 2007 he was playing for Villa. He then joined a northern team in 2011.

TAA has been getting in England squads since he was 18

Your point on Mainoo is wild speculation

Barry got 2 caps in the 7 years after he got his caps as a youngster under Keegan (him and Gerrrard were fastracked

Villa are in the midlands, hence not a southern team

 

[Billy Dean]

Barry got 2 caps in the 7 years after he got his caps as a youngster under Keegan (him and Gerrrard were fastracked

Villa are in the midlands, hence not a southern team
View attachment 324934

Exactly

 

[summerisle]

I've always had a soft spot for Old Carthusians.

Post in thread 'Big games that aren't big anymore'

March 17, 2015

Old Etonians against the Old Carthusians. Apparently after the F.A Cup Final of 1881, Old Etonians,in a fit of pique after losing, refused a second glass of port.
Still not forgotten to this day in the cloistered circles of the Old Carthusians.

Interesting then forgotten fact of the day :
The club that has provided the most England players is Corinthians with 75. We are fifth with 66, one behind you know who.
Old Carthusians have provided nine, including such luminaries as :
Arthur Melmoth Walters and Percy Melmoth Walters - known,with Oscar Wilde wit, as morning and afternoon...

• summerisle

• 

Post in thread 'The no-limits transfer thread 1878-2016.'

June 20, 2016

Edward 'Teddy' Wynyard. Played cricket for England and scored for the Old Carthusians in the 1881 F A Cup defeat of the Old Etonians. He was an army officer with the King's Liverpool Regiment and won the DSO in the Burma Expedition in 1887 as well as twice being mentioned in despatches.
He later went to Sandhurst, where when W G Grace was unable to attend a cricket match, and not to disappoint the students, he donned a fake beard and make-up. He batted, made a few runs, and deliberately got hit on the hand so he could retire hurt.

In 1914 he rejoined the King's Regiment as major, and was...

• summerisle

• 

 

[Littlesue]

Have you got number of England caps for Northern teams players vs Southern teams players?

Where would the divide be?? What about The Midlands, can remember back in the 70's Kenny Samson getting the caps and Derek Statham getting left out.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Where would the divide be?? What about The Midlands, can remember back in the 70's Kenny Samson getting the caps and Derek Statham getting left out.

It’s on the halfway line of The Hawthorns

Sansom - Let it go, you’re the only Baggies fan I know who, when hearing I support Palace, didn’t lauch a 20 minute rant about Statham’s super human powers.
He was very good mind and in another era, would have got 90 caps.

 

[Nymzee]

Where would the divide be?? What about The Midlands, can remember back in the 70's Kenny Samson getting the caps and Derek Statham getting left out.

I feel like whenever chippies stop selling gravy the south starts.

 

[Rita_Poon]

I feel like whenever chippies stop selling gravy the south starts.

The Maginot Gravy Line?

 

[duncs pigeon]

Where would the divide be?? What about The Midlands, can remember back in the 70's Kenny Samson getting the caps and Derek Statham getting left out.

Same as Ashley Cole and Leighton Baines, both unlucky to have top class players ahead of them.

 

[Alan Whittle]

I feel like whenever chippies stop selling gravy the south starts.

An infallible rule. I salute you.

 

[peterw]

What about midlands? Villa (my team) have the second most.

It is a thing though, or it was. Back in the 80s and 90s (and of course before then) the printed press were all based in London and so saw more London games involving London teams, or visited the south- coast instead of the north generally.

If you look at the Villa side that won the league in 81 and european Cup in 82 and the players that were overlooked for inferior southern players is bizarre.

Tony Morley - few caps
Gary Shaw - 1 I think
Dennis Mortimer 0
Kenny Swain - 0
Peter Withe - few caps
Gordon Cowans - few caps

If any of those - especially Cowans - had have been playing in London the press would have been banging a drum for them and they would be still talked about today. Instead they were ignored for the likes of Armstrong at Southampton, Woodcock, Rix, Wilkins. and so on.