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[Matt Damon]

All contributing factors no doubt but it would have continued if it were not being financially check mated by the Americanos.

Industrial inefficiency is not that bad when you have the resources, both physical and population wise that the USSR had. Gorbachev's search for reform and thus allowing dissent within the ranks started the wheels in action.

But mainly, it was financial. They were in a terrible state really.

Chico, the when you pollute the resources that you're trying to utilise you ultimately make them unavailable or more difficult to extract.

They had a poor inefficient and hugely polluting industry primarily built on the back of a war machine.

Check out the Aral sea's diappearance: 1989 (Left) or 2008 (right)

OR the thousands of other examples where their economy was basically ruined by environmental damage.

Rivers polluted etc etc etc
......

Similar things happening in China now...... theyve just brought in some ambitious environmental legislation...

 

[Neiler]

Last warning!

 

[Matt Damon]

Is that your own work?

No it's a quick quote (copy and paste job ) minus the original 1991 studies.

But it's all based on facts because anyone who knows anything about sustainable development knows much of this historical evidence.



Oh and the Davek Method is apparently rubbish for running anything really!

 

[chicoazul]

Matt, we've been told to stop discussing politics by Neiler so I'm complying.

He stepped in when he seen that huge haymaker I launched that had you reeling.

 

[davek]

No it's a quick quote (copy and paste job ) minus the original 1991 studies.

But it's all based on facts because anyone who knows anything about sustainable development knows much of this historical evidence.



Oh and the Davek Method is apparently rubbish for running anything really!

So you plagiarised it?

Ok.

 

[Matt Damon]

* Davek should not run EVERTON FOOTBALL CLUB!

OK revert back to topic!

 

[BlackToffee]

I realise that some of the flak that Davek receives is sometimes personal in nature. I regret that, but he doesn't make it easy on himself. Always the critic and rarely ever the proposer of a positive agenda. Never finding any good in those whom he loathes. Davek, sorry to put it in such personal terms, but in the other thread on the stadia you seem to be against Everton's positive strategy of trying to get private investment into a new stadia and for an idea which is simply that - an idea.

No idea of what will be built in the football village, no costs, not even a vote amongst all the fans to see if they want it. If it was software it would be called vaporware.

Oh, and Elstone maybe a beancounter, but no doubt you'd like Peter Storrie as our CEO. Storrie, who can't see the [Poor language removed] from the wool when wages account for 85% of turnover. Storrie who blindfoldedly took Portsmouth into administration.

I'd rather someone, anyone taking care of business and trying to keep us on an even keel, while leaving Moyes alone to deals with the football. So Davek, ace critic, if you were CEO what would your direction of travel be for Everton? Or is that a difficult question?

 

[Matt Damon]

I realise that some of the flak that Davek receives is sometimes personal in nature. I regret that, but he doesn't make it easy on himself. Always the critic and rarely ever the proposer of a positive agenda. Never finding any good in those whom he loathes. Davek, sorry to put it in such personal terms, but in the other thread on the stadia you seem to be against Everton's positive strategy of trying to get private investment into a new stadia and for an idea which is simply that - an idea.

No idea of what will be built in the football village, no costs, not even a vote amongst all the fans to see if they want it. If it was software it would be called vaporware.

Oh, and Elstone maybe a beancounter, but no doubt you'd like Peter Storrie as our CEO. Storrie, who can't see the [Poor language removed] from the wool when wages account for 85% of turnover. Storrie who blindfoldedly took Portsmouth into administration.

I'd rather someone, anyone taking care of business and trying to keep us on an even keel, while leaving Moyes alone to deals with the football. So Davek, ace critic, if you were CEO what would your direction of travel be for Everton? Or is that a difficult question?

OH I agree with all that except the emboldened bit.

Its 108% wage:turnover - EVEN in 2010 - and in administration... that's how bad that Portsmouth are.

It's Aston Villa that are 85%


But as for the rest.... well YOU ARE SPOT ON Toffeelid.

Couldn't say it better myself. So I won't.

 

[Chang Elephant]

I realise that some of the flak that Davek receives is sometimes personal in nature. I regret that, but he doesn't make it easy on himself. Always the critic and rarely ever the proposer of a positive agenda. Never finding any good in those whom he loathes. Davek, sorry to put it in such personal terms, but in the other thread on the stadia you seem to be against Everton's positive strategy of trying to get private investment into a new stadia and for an idea which is simply that - an idea.

No idea of what will be built in the football village, no costs, not even a vote amongst all the fans to see if they want it. If it was software it would be called vaporware.

Oh, and Elstone maybe a beancounter, but no doubt you'd like Peter Storrie as our CEO. Storrie, who can't see the [Poor language removed] from the wool when wages account for 85% of turnover. Storrie who blindfoldedly took Portsmouth into administration.

I'd rather someone, anyone taking care of business and trying to keep us on an even keel, while leaving Moyes alone to deals with the football. So Davek, ace critic, if you were CEO what would your direction of travel be for Everton? Or is that a difficult question?

Excellent

DaveK not only advocates the very same economic system that brought down the Eastern Bloc, but he wants Storrie as our CEO.

Will he never learn from history, and learn to accept the wisdom of Elstone?

 

[Topblue]

Nieler i am dissapointed i was quite enjoying the trash talk from both sides.

 

[davek]

I realise that some of the flak that Davek receives is sometimes personal in nature. I regret that, but he doesn't make it easy on himself. Always the critic and rarely ever the proposer of a positive agenda. Never finding any good in those whom he loathes. Davek, sorry to put it in such personal terms, but in the other thread on the stadia you seem to be against Everton's positive strategy of trying to get private investment into a new stadia and for an idea which is simply that - an idea.

No idea of what will be built in the football village, no costs, not even a vote amongst all the fans to see if they want it. If it was software it would be called vaporware.

Oh, and Elstone maybe a beancounter, but no doubt you'd like Peter Storrie as our CEO. Storrie, who can't see the [Poor language removed] from the wool when wages account for 85% of turnover. Storrie who blindfoldedly took Portsmouth into administration.

I'd rather someone, anyone taking care of business and trying to keep us on an even keel, while leaving Moyes alone to deals with the football. So Davek, ace critic, if you were CEO what would your direction of travel be for Everton? Or is that a difficult question?

We've had this debate before. I'll say now what I said then: the CEO job at Everton is a nodding dog one. So it's pointless giving it to anyone. They're powerless to act decisively because they're limited in what they can do or suggest. The last one with a pair of bollocks to come in was Trevor Birch. He advised a quick sale of the existing director's shares. He lasted six weeks before he was paid off and released for the next nodding dog to come in: Wyness. I'm not having a go at Elstone because he doesn't provide Moyes with £20M per summer to spend, I'm just not having his bullshit about 'successful seasons'. He's polishing a turd and it insults everyone.

Enjoy the even keel.

 

[Topblue]

Enjoy the even keel.

Going sailing Dave ?

 

[davek]

Going sailing Dave ?

Apparently Black Toffee is. The good ship Everton with Cap'n Bob as skipper has a stiff wind behind it heading for victory.

 

[BlackToffee]

We've had this debate before. I'll say now what I said then: the CEO job at Everton is a nodding dog one. So it's pointless giving it to anyone. They're powerless to act decisively because they're limited in what they can do or suggest. The last one with a pair of bollocks to come in was Trevor Birch. He advised a quick sale of the existing director's shares. He lasted six weeks before he was paid off and released for the next nodding dog to come in: Wyness. I'm not having a go at Elstone because he doesn't provide Moyes with £20M per summer to spend, I'm just not having his bullshit about 'successful seasons'. He's polishing a turd and it insults everyone.

Enjoy the even keel.

Nicely dodged, nicely dodged there my man. Trevor Birch is an asset stripper. All the other nodding dogs with their outsourcing of all things Everton has essentiallyl followed his agenda. Ergo, support Trevor Birch = support Elstone.

And if Birch suggested a quick sale who to? Because you have a seller doesn't mean you automatically have a buyer, which is a simple fact which seems to completly delude you everytime. Does Newcastle ring a bell? Erm, maybe Portsmouth. OK, if these seismic events have passed you by, what about Walder and Stadler across the park? All sellers with no credible buyers.

I'd rather my blissful even keel than wages being 85% of turnover, or selling to 4 different owners with no funds behind their name, or the East End Porn kings taking over a club like West Ham and acting like they can be managers and owners.

OK, if you were Kenwright, I know you'd sell as soon as possible, but what conditions would you put on the sale of the club? What would you try to do to ensure that the sale does't turn into another over geared (that means more debt than assets) club like manure or the clowns across the park.

But I suspect that you'd sell to the first person who approaches you with a multi coloured t-cosy on their head with a middle eastern accent. This might be why we're not feeling the love from you.

 

[Neiler]

Plan A is still a billioaire then!

Even keel are the words - its to be expected really - what did people expect after events over the last year - the future is here and we will ive withing this staus quo for a number of year yet - it was never going to be any different when we couldnt improve our infrastructure.