effective use of bily

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Artetafan said:
The problem with him there is he has to be third in the pecking order behind Cahill and Rodwell. Obviously theres Injuries etc but we play with three central midfielders and we have in Arteta, Fellaini, Rodwell, Heitinga and Cahill five very good players for that position. And that's assuming we won't play 4-4-2.

The best role for Bily is as a wide midfielder right now simply because that's where we have a place he can make his own.
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As usual, you're spot on.
 

Bily definately has the class. His Technical ability is right up there. But it seems to me that he isn't used to the lack of time and space in our game. He's had a break this summer and he was overdue it. Hopefully he can step up this season.

He always pops up with the goals so there is definately strong potential. Unfortunately for him, I think he is only going to get played on the flanks. But judging by footage of him in Russia he thrives in the centre. And he looked at his best last season in and around the box I reckon.

I really think he can offer us a lot. And as Cahill is now in his 30's perhaps he may get a chance in the middle behind the forward.
 
Herein lies another problem, (defence being my main one, but another thats for another thread), we have ALL known about our right middlefielder problem since last year.
The problem has still NOT been resolved, we're still fiddling about with Anichebe, (not a RM for me) Bily, Donovan (if/when he comes).
This leaves our right back exposed, because only Donovan covers and mixes with, overlapping with the RB.
We as Evertonians, no matter what the site, go on about hw poor our Rb's are (Neville/Hibbert). But if they don't have the support as we do on the right hand side via Peanuts work rate, then this will continue.
Bily, whether its his mindset in that he doesn't like tracking back/workrate, then has to realise that this is how Moyes and ourselves see it as part of our progress towards CL status.
For me the guy, and Moyes have to realise this is the way forward. I have an idea that Moyes will play him this year in the if things aren't going right, I'll bring on Bily as another option role, but not as a main starter.
RM still not resolved!!!
 
artetas sock said:
Herein lies another problem, (defence being my main one, but another thats for another thread), we have ALL known about our right middlefielder problem since last year.
The problem has still NOT been resolved, we're still fiddling about with Anichebe, (not a RM for me) Bily, Donovan (if/when he comes).
This leaves our right back exposed, because only Donovan covers and mixes with, overlapping with the RB.
We as Evertonians, no matter what the site, go on about hw poor our Rb's are (Neville/Hibbert). But if they don't have the support as we do on the right hand side via Peanuts work rate, then this will continue.
Bily, whether its his mindset in that he doesn't like tracking back/workrate, then has to realise that this is how Moyes and ourselves see it as part of our progress towards CL status.
For me the guy, and Moyes have to realise this is the way forward. I have an idea that Moyes will play him this year in the if things aren't going right, I'll bring on Bily as another option role, but not as a main starter.
RM still not resolved!!!
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True but whatever you say about Bily or Anichebe, they're both improvements on Osman.

To me Vic did well there. As for Bily, yeah he doesn't track back and thats why he's not first choice yet for me but the best teams do have players like that. Who they carry a bit so he can produce some magic when we need it.

I think, the Rb/Rm problems go hand in hand but they also go both ways. Yes, our Rb looks worse if he isn't getting Cover but, also, our RM looks worse if he doesn't get support.

Bily isn't a winger and he'ss never going to be one, but he looks good cutting into the box from wide and one of the reasons everyones so keen on Coleman is that Pienaar and Baines have proved how dangerous that kind of player can be with a genuinely attacking full back behind him.
 

Artetafan said:
True but whatever you say about Bily or Anichebe, they're both improvements on Osman.

To me Vic did well there. As for Bily, yeah he doesn't track back and thats why he's not first choice yet for me but the best teams do have players like that. Who they carry a bit so he can produce some magic when we need it.

I think, the Rb/Rm problems go hand in hand but they also go both ways. Yes, our Rb looks worse if he isn't getting Cover but, also, our RM looks worse if he doesn't get support.

Bily isn't a winger and he'ss never going to be one, but he looks good cutting into the box from wide and one of the reasons everyones so keen on Coleman is that Pienaar and Baines have proved how dangerous that kind of player can be with a genuinely attacking full back behind him.
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Agree Artetafan, but thats the difference, Peanuts gets back to cover. Anichebe and Bily don't. That's the difference. I can't say that the best teams (top two) 'carry' anyone!
 
Agree that there is a jam at that position. But it is nice to have options. When Cahill is running hot there is few better options. But there have been and will be stretches where his form lulls and he goes missing for games (heaven forbid injuries). I think Bily could be an option there. Maybe Rodwell. Are we saying that Rodwell is an attacking mid now? May be, but do we really know his best position? Seems he has been touted for all central spots except keeper and striker.

I think we all agree that a deeper team is a stronger, fresher team come next spring... the beauty of options if Moyes mixes his chemicals properly.
 
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Agree Artetafan, but thats the difference, Peanuts gets back to cover. Anichebe and Bily don't. That's the difference. I can't say that the best teams (top two) 'carry' anyone!
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I was thinking of the likes of Robben at Bayern, Ronaldo at real and Lampard at Chelsea. Where you play them because of what they do with the ball not without it.
 

Artetafan said:
I was thinking of the likes of Robben at Bayern, Ronaldo at real and Lampard at Chelsea. Where you play them because of what they do with the ball not without it.
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See where your coming from.
Not sure about Lampard as he does get through some workrate, and he is more CM, where you can't hide.
However Robben or Ronaldo he aint.
Maybe he'll have to learn the hard way by staying on the bench and letting it sink in, why he's there in the first place?
 
I'll second (or maybe fifth) those saying he's best suited to the Cahill role. He doesn't warrant starting ahead Cahill yet but is a great backup and considering he's 6 years younger will have time to grow into that position.

He isn't suited to the wing but neither Anichebe nor Osman have flourished there either. Unless we can pull 10 million out of a hat to secure LD he'll likely get some time there too.
 
artetas sock said:
See where your coming from.
Not sure about Lampard as he does get through some workrate, and he is more CM, where you can't hide.
However Robben or Ronaldo he aint.
Maybe he'll have to learn the hard way by staying on the bench and letting it sink in, why he's there in the first place?
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I imagine so, mate. Like I said to me he isn't a starter yet and no doubt Moyes will be getting after him to start tracking back more.

I think the main reason I'm not giving up on him is I remember watching the Liverpool Arsenal 4-4 game. And Arshavin was totally useless, barely touched the ball and ended up scoring four goals. However bad Bily is playing theres always the chance he'll do something special out of nothing. Annd very few of our players have that.
 
I think he needs to be played in a position than requires less defensive know-how and tracking back. Somewhere where he can be in a position to shoot often, because quite frankly, he's the finest striker of a ball at the club. He's been here a year and scored more screamers than the rest of the gang have in their Everton careers. Playing him out left, or out right, isn't working though. He doesn't track back as well, he's not as aware, he's not that fast and he's not a physical presence. Make use of his talents, I say, and play him in the Cahill role.
 
Artetafan said:
I imagine so, mate. Like I said to me he isn't a starter yet and no doubt Moyes will be getting after him to start tracking back more.

I think the main reason I'm not giving up on him is I remember watching the Liverpool Arsenal 4-4 game. And Arshavin was totally useless, barely touched the ball and ended up scoring four goals. However bad Bily is playing theres always the chance he'll do something special out of nothing. Annd very few of our players have that.
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I wouldn't like to write off all of our players on that point. Picking up on one point about one players game, doesn't mean thats how it works out over a season (one swallow doesn't make a summer)
However, I agree to a certain degree, but is that to the detriment of leaking goals at the other end due to laziness?
If Coleman starts, and I would love to see that given his attacking capabilities, it leaves us WIDE open at the back.
Bench for Bily at the moment for me.
 

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