EFC's failure to capitalise on the success of the late 80's and start of PL

[nsno-chris]

It was a mixture of not replacing star players, poor management decisions and a boardroom that could not see the massive money making potential. The early 90's where around the time of Sir Johns demise and nobody wanted anything to do with it. The Dion Dublin fiasco for example.

 

[riddick]

A couple questions for all if you may indulge:

It's worth noting that whilst our gates in the early 90s were low (partly due to recession hit Liverpool), so were the majority of other clubs around the country. it wasn't like today with shiny new stadiums packed with new fans, the game was on its arse.

Why? Was it the disillusionment with the ban that caused it to be low attendances? Regardless of the "why", what would you say was the cause for it to rebound to where we are back today?

Second, why/HOW did simply renaming the First Division into the "Premier League" cause more money to be put in to clubs? I'm just confused as to what actually transpired that made the Premier League more financially viable than what it was simply the year before?


I started following Everton in 2002 so I am well after all this and have limited knowledge about what why and how all this happened.

 

[yakublue]

Look at the players Liverpool bought and look at the players we bought around that time

No long term planning

Specifically?

 

[nsno-chris]

Second, why/HOW did simply renaming the First Division into the "Premier League" cause more money to be put in to clubs? I'm just confused as to what actually transpired that made the Premier League more financially viable than what it was simply the year before?

It was a breakaway from the football league which allowed the top 5 (Everton utd arsenal Spurs & RS) a larger share of television rights. It was completely independent of the FA.

Sky won the tv rights deal at £300m for 5 years, so the money poured in

 

[Eggs]

..the club failed to make the right strategic moves off the pitch and the team performance dipped on it.

 

[peteblue]

..the club failed to make the right strategic moves off the pitch and the team performance dipped on it.

Which sums it up.... coupled with Utd having done sod all for 30 years and then having a load of really good kids coming through......reminds me of us actually......

 

[TraffordBlue]

We are now seeing the futility of this approach to running a club. Walker, Smith, Martinez and Koeman have shown that when Everton don’t have an excellent manager at the helm we are in relegation scraps. When other clubs have poor managers they finish 8th or 9th. Successive Everton boards have sat on their hands waiting for another Kendall figure to pull a miracle out. Moyes gave them a decade of survival in the richest league in the world and they managed to mortgage everything and have no long term plan.

Interesting post but i'm not sure I agree with this part. Unless you are referring to the other 4 that made up the 'Big 5' in the late 80's? But even then Spurs have had several seasons of finishing far lower than 8th or 9th when doing poorly in the PL era. Their struggles equating to a Martinez type poor season at EFC where they would come about 11th.

Now that Villa have finally slipped out of the League though, we are one of only 6 clubs to have played in every season of the Premier League. So whilst you may be correct about us being involved in relegation scraps if we don't have a top manager, it looks to me like every other club that struggles other than the original 'Big 5' + Chelsea have slipped out of the league.

Man City, Leeds, Sunderland, Villa, West Ham, Newcastle have all been relegated after struggles. The worry is that we will be next but that is more of a debate in relation to the current era rather than my original question admittedly.

 

[Aberblue]

Specifically?

The Park Stand is a good example of the lack of foresight. There were no new executive boxes in it;, a capacity of 40,000 was reckoned to be sufficient because it was one of the highest at the time. Now our capacity is tiny compared to Man U, Man City, Arsenal and even clubs like Sunderland, West Ham and Newcastle.

 

[Brendan Janus]

Bilbao

That's easy for you to say !!

 

[Brendan Janus]

The Park Stand is a good example of the lack of foresight. There were no new executive boxes in it;, a capacity of 40,000 was reckoned to be sufficient because it was one of the highest at the time. Now our capacity is tiny compared to Man U, Man City, Arsenal and even clubs like Sunderland, West Ham and Newcastle.

Piss poor effort considering what the original plans looked like !!

 

[whiteshadow]

Did we make a mistake appointing Howard Kendall for a 2nd time in 1990, and was Mike Walker expected to be a good appointment at the time? It could just have been that there weren't many decent managers out there for what we needed which seems to be similar to the position we're in at the moment.

Quite a few questions in there but would be interested in the views.

In relation to Mike Walker at the time we appointed him he was looking like he'd be a good manager. He'd had a great first season at Norwich City, finishing 3rd in the Premier League and qualifying for the UEFA Cup, which was an amazing achievement considering their stature.

In Europe they managed to beat Bayern Munich over 2 legs before being knocked out by Inter. Norwich played an attractive passing game under him, so at the time we got him it looked like he would be a good appointment.

 

[Blues Harp]

Complete and utter failure by an incompetent board to invest in the team, attract decent sponsorship deals, and be responsible for 3 failed new stadiums, be totally content with just staying in the prem and accepting the "plucky old Everton" tag. Then hanging on to Moyes way past his sell by date and appointing a replacement who had he not been sacked would have relegated us. Quite simply, we missed the boat, at the time and are now reaping the consequences, with some of the same people responsible who are still involved in making decisions..pathetic!

 

[Black Belt Jones]

In relation to Mike Walker at the time we appointed him he was looking like he'd be a good manager. He'd had a great first season at Norwich City, finishing 3rd in the Premier League and qualifying for the UEFA Cup, which was an amazing achievement considering their stature.

In Europe they managed to beat Bayern Munich over 2 legs before being knocked out by Inter. Norwich played an attractive passing game under him, so at the time we got him it looked like he would be a good appointment.

God knows how Walker managed Norwich to that level - there has to be a story there that explains things, like it was the #2 that was running things or something. Because he didn't just fail with us, a bad matchup, he was like an imposter - totally overawed by the job, and when he left he never managed again in any serious capacity IIRC.

But like you say it looked like a good appointment at the time because he'd worked wonders with Norwich and could reasonably have been expected to exceed that here.

 

[Del-boy]

We didn’t have the right people at the helm when the premier league and Sky era began.
I believe our board still viewed us as just a football club whilst certain others the main example being Man United saw the business potential.

I think at the time they had the fella who owned Sky running them? Anyway obviously someone with high business acumen and foresight to see the business potential of united and the premier league.

We however where just happy to plod along kicking the ball about and leaving it at that.

The Park end being a single tier always springs to mind. Cheap and lack of ambition and this has caused us to fall further behind than being a leading side that we were in the eighties.

The club only now is being to move away from being the family football club to more business oriented club. Unfortunately we are 20 years to late.

United earn more from sponsorship alone than we do with all revenue streams combined.

That’s the task facing the club now, closing that gap. United should be the club we aim to follow business wise but they are so far ahead I doubt we will ever get near to them.

 

[edge]

To much of an old boys club up top not enough leadership and ambition .